Effect of Nick Perry and the interior pass rushers

[KYPack]

I'm drinking that post-draft Kool-aid, but...

If a few of these boys turns out like Ricky Elmore did last season, we aren't looking so good.

[Zool]

If the nickel is a 2-4-5, wouldn't both OLB's be rushing?

[pbmax]

If the nickel is a 2-4-5, wouldn't both OLB's be rushing?

In nickel, yes, unless there is an overload blitz to the other side then he is in coverage.

In base, it can be either/or.

[woodbuck27]

I'm drinking that post-draft Kool-aid, but...

If a few of these boys turns out like Ricky Elmore did last season, we aren't looking so good.

Anything can happen **but with the exception of TT's last pick..he might have done better there 'as in RB' well anywhere but at QB. Believe me... I see just how much concern we have at that backup position as it was; but another something 'Jay' as a pick at QB.

Wasn't TT's best move as I viewd his options.

** TT had a super draft. Now it's how hungry these prospects are to be a GREEN BAY PACKER.

GO TT >>>GO PACKERS !

[hoosier]

Matthews will benefit most from an interior rush that can prevent the QB from stepping up in the pocket to avoid the outside rush. If Daniels (or Raji benefitting from Daniels) can do that, the 2012 defense will look more like the 2010 edition than 2011.

[Smeefers]

If the nickel is a 2-4-5, wouldn't both OLB's be rushing?

I think us running so much 2-4-5 last year is due to a very poor 3rd option at DE. I can see us going to more the base D if we have players who can fill those roles. I also think we played more nickle because teams are putting 3 wr's on the field much more often. I think that we went 2-4-5 in those situations because our linebackers were better than our ends and so we tried to put our best players on the field. If worthy or Hargrove show enough grit, I could see us playing more 3-3-5 or even 4-2-5 (just as a wrinkle) nickle formations.

I figured pb already answered ya, but I had something to add anyway.

[Smidgeon]

I think us running so much 2-4-5 last year is due to a very poor 3rd option at DE. I can see us going to more the base D if we have players who can fill those roles. I also think we played more nickle because teams are putting 3 wr's on the field much more often. I think that we went 2-4-5 in those situations because our linebackers were better than our ends and so we tried to put our best players on the field. If worthy or Hargrove show enough grit, I could see us playing more 3-3-5 or even 4-2-5 (just as a wrinkle) nickle formations.

I figured pb already answered ya, but I had something to add anyway.

Except they ran the nickel over 70% of the time in 2010. So I imagine that's actually Capers' base scheme now.

[Smeefers]

Except they ran the nickel over 70% of the time in 2010. So I imagine that's actually Capers' base scheme now.

Man. Really? 70%? Jeez that's a lot. Does that mean teams have 3 WR's out there 70% of the time? I mean, I know our team gave up on the run a long time ago but I didn't know every other team did as well.

Side note: I was alive back in the 80's, but really didn't understand football all to much. Is our offense anything like Warren Moon's run and shoot?

[mraynrand]

The nickel sucked in part because Woodson didn't tackle as well last year. The entire secondary didn't tackle well because they were all injured (Collins - out, Williams - shoulder, Burnett - hand, Shields - concussion, Peprah - Peprah), nor did they play as much press. Add that to the crappy D-line play (Raji - SB hangover) and ROLB, and you have a defensive disaster. The entire defense needs to improve, not just have better new guys.

[3irty1]

Man. Really? 70%? Jeez that's a lot. Does that mean teams have 3 WR's out there 70% of the time? I mean, I know our team gave up on the run a long time ago but I didn't know every other team did as well.

Side note: I was alive back in the 80's, but really didn't understand football all to much. Is our offense anything like Warren Moon's run and shoot?

Capers chooses his defense based more on down and distance rather than what personnel the offense brings in. We often go nickle against offensive sets that have TE's and FB's on 1st and 10.

[Bossman641]

Except they ran the nickel over 70% of the time in 2010. So I imagine that's actually Capers' base scheme now.

Were we running a 2-4-5 or a 3-3-5? I honestly can't remember. My shot in the dark would be we ran more 3-3-5 in 2010 cause we had better DL rush options.

I'm very interested in seeing how the DL shakes out in 2012. I believe we normally keep 5 DL active on gamedays. Raji and Picket are locks, I'll give Worthy and Neal 2 other spots just because I think they have the most potential. Capers can go a lot of ways with that last spot - a big body (Muir/Wilson), a pass rush threat (Hargrove, Daniels), a wild card like Guy.

I think Daniels/Hargrove/Wynn are playing for one spot. Hard for me to imagine the Packers carrying 2 of those guys on the roster when they can't provide much in terms of 3-4 defense and you'd figure they would have to hold onto either Wilson/Muir/a training camp large body as insurance for Raji/Picket. The strange thing about the draft was that McCarthy had made prior comments about wanting to return to the base 3-4 but the Daniels pick and Hargrove signing are geared toward rush sub-packages.

[pbmax]

2-4-5 for typical passing downs. 3-3-5 or 3-2-6 for long distances. Those three lineman looks always included Matthews, Raji and Someone Not Close To The QB.

[3irty1]

2-4-5 for typical passing downs. 3-3-5 or 3-2-6 for long distances. Those three lineman looks always included Matthews, Raji and Someone Not Close To The QB.

I wouldn't say the 3-3-5 was necessarily for long distances. Rather just a variation of our nickle to get the best players on the field. In 2009 with Kampman it was more popular than the 2-4-5. We could see a bit more of it this season if Perry is more effective rushing with a hand down or vs the run. Its all about getting your 4 best pass rushers on the field at the same time.

Also our dime defense is usually still the 2-4-5 but with Woodson playing ILB and Bush covering the slot.

[pbmax]

I wouldn't say the 3-3-5 was necessarily for long distances. Rather just a variation of our nickle to get the best players on the field. In 2009 with Kampman it was more popular than the 2-4-5. We could see a bit more of it this season if Perry is more effective rushing with a hand down or vs the run. Its all about getting your 4 best pass rushers on the field at the same time.

Also our dime defense is usually still the 2-4-5 but with Woodson playing ILB and Bush covering the slot.

Yes, but I associate the 3-3-5 with 3 pass rushers, rather than the typical four out of nickel. And three pass rushers tended to appear on 3 and forever plays.

[Fritz]

And "forever" was also how long opposing quarterbacks had to throw the ball...