TT acknowledges dysfunction of front seven

[Harlan Huckleby]

I still think we have 5 of the 7 pieces in Pickett, Raji, Matthews, Hawk, and Bishop necessary to have a championship caliber defense.

OK, but you need about 10 pieces to play significant snaps, so they were half way there.

[Pugger]

Jarius Wynn and C.J. Wilson are but a memory.

With any luck...

Maybe now we can cut Walden during TC too.

[Pugger]

Patler, the Packers 2012 draft feels more like Wolfe's 1999 draft when he realized he some serious holes to fill at DB and he went DB, DB, DB right out the gate. 2 of the guys couldn't play (Edwards and Vinson), but it all worked out in the end, and the problem was, for the most part, fixed.

If you want to try to make the argument that the 2011 Packers front seven was any better than an average HS team, then by all means, sing that tune my friend.

Unfortunately for you PollyAnna's, TT saw the writing on the wall and seems intent on running the previous set of pretenders out of town on a rail... It seems next to impossible for you guys to admit that our defense absolutely sucked last year; so impossible in fact, that you can't even acknowledge that Ted did exactly what I thought he should do, and is running the old guard out of town, and bringing in fresh troops.

Really, it's not hard to do when you focus... look in the mirror and say it s-l-o-w-l-y, "o-u-r/d-e-f-e-n-s-e/s-u-p-e-r/s-u-c-k-e-d"...

Say it slowly so you can learn to pronounce the words correctly... once you say it a few times, it becomes much easier. Just takes some practice.

Unless we got turnovers last season we couldn't stop anybody. The real reason we were 15-1 is because we have the best player in the league playing at the most valuable position in today's pass happy league. Last season the Gmen sucked until their D linemen got heathy and started to raise havoc on the gridiron. It didn't help that we let Eli sit in the pocket with enough time to read War and Peace while he surveyed our porous defense in that painful playoff game a few short months ago.

[mmmdk]

I strongly expect DE Anthony Hargrove to be in the mix; he's produced his whole career and is still only 28 years old. Btw, when will the hammer fall on the bounty for Saints players?

[Scott Campbell]

I strongly expect DE Anthony Hargrove to be in the mix; he's produced his whole career and is still only 28 years old. Btw, when will the hammer fall on the bounty for Saints players?

They said during the draft it would come down next week. Though they've been saying "next week" for the last month.

[HarveyWallbangers]

OK, but you need about 10 pieces to play significant snaps, so they were half way there.

Four of the guys I mentioned play 80%+ of the snaps and guys like C.J. Wilson, D.J. Smith, and Mike Neal (if he's healthy) are good enough to play 20% of the snaps. Most teams don't have all starter caliber backups as part of their rotation. I think you guys are making it overly complicated. If Perry and Worthy are as good as we are hoping they are and Hargrove doesn't get suspended for too long, then I think the front seven is going to be good. I worry about a backup for Pickett and Raji since Green is gone. Other than that, the front seven looks good IF Perry and Worthy are as good as we all hope they will be.

[RashanGary]

If this means we're giving up on Erik Walden, Jarius Wynn and CJ Wilson, I'll burn Ted's house down.

Our front 7 was fine. Fuck you all.

[HarveyWallbangers]

For me, Walden and Wynn have worn out their welcome. Zombo and Jones can fight it out for backup OLB. I like Francois more than the three guys we had at ROLB, so hopefully Francois can make the team as backup OLB with Smith and Manning at backup ILB.

I still think C.J. Wilson can be a good backup DE.

There will be some interesting battles.

DL Pickett, Raji, Worthy, Hargrove with Wilson, Muir, Daniels, Wynn, Guy fighting for probably two spots. We still need a Howard Green type backup at NT. I wonder if we look to bring him back now.

OLB Matthews and Perry with So'oto, Jones, Zombo, Lattimore, and Walden fighting for two or three spots.

ILB Bishop, Hawk, and Smith with Manning and Francois fighting for one spot.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Four of the guys I mentioned play 80%+ of the snaps and guys like C.J. Wilson, D.J. Smith, and Mike Neal (if he's healthy) are good enough to play 20% of the snaps.

On the D-line, you need 5 guys who are starter quality. Maybe you have some young players who are inconsistent, but they can threaten. Other teams have 5 or 6 good players on D-line.

All the backups were inferior at linebacker and D-line last season, IMO. D.J. Smith was OK.

[ND72]

If this means we're giving up on Erik Walden, Jarius Wynn and CJ Wilson, I'll burn Ted's house down.

Our front 7 was fine. Fuck you all.

Are you being serious?

[Upnorth]

Wist, our defence sucked in 2011. If it can return to one of the best in the league like 2010 or 2009 can you say our defense is good?

[smuggler]

Are you being serious?

He's trolling. No way anybody comes out and stands up for Wilson and Wynn, who didn't do shit last year.

[Freak Out]

Daniels is going to be a badass in this Capers defense.

[3irty1]

Wynn hasn't worn out his welcome for me at all. I thought he stepped his game up big for us last year. He'll be a TOUGH out in camp.

Anyways, wist you're completely exaggerating. This defense is a season removed from being championship caliber. The defense decayed last year due to a regression in individual efforts plus nasty injuries to Collins, Neal, and Williams. I considered OLB the biggest need last season and it wasn't addressed but there was at least strong promise from Walden, Zombo, and Jones at times. The only reason you're seeing this as an admonition of disfunction is because you were 180 degrees wrong on your outrageous claim that Ted doesn't care about the defense and would spend his top picks on offense. Everyone else knew this draft would be defense heavy as the majority of picks in an offensively heavy draft wouldn't even make the team.

[Joemailman]

Daniels is going to be a badass in this Capers defense.

If he makes the team. Seems to me he fills pretty much the same role as Hargrove. Provides an inside pass rush. When you only keep probably 6 DL, you don't have room for a lot of specialists. I'm not sure both Daniels and Hargrove can make the team. Hargrove could get suspended though.