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  • #61
    Originally posted by OS PA View Post
    Numbers
    Driver was
    76th in yards
    67th in receptions
    74th in 1st downs
    26th in touchdowns

    He had the 4th best numbers for a WR on our team. Here are the numbers for all of the other 4th ranked wide receivers on their teams.

    ARI - Chansi Stuckey - 4 rec, 39 yards, 0 tds
    ATL - Eric Weems - 11 rec, 90 yards, 0 tds
    BAL - Lee Evans - 4 rec, 74 yards, 0 tds
    BUF - Donald Jones - 23 rec, 231 yards, 1 td
    CAR - Seyi Ajirotutu - 1 rec, 4 yards, 0 tds
    CHI - Devin Hester - 26 rec, 369 yards, 1td
    CIN - Andrew Hawkins - 23 rec, 263 yards, 0 tds
    CLE - Jordan Norwood - 23 rec, 268 yards, 1 td
    DAL - Kevin Ogletree - 15 rec, 164 yards, 0 tds
    DEN - Eddie Royal - 19 rec, 155 yards, 1 td
    DET - Rashied Davis - 4 rec, 63 yards, 0 tds
    GB - Donald Driver - 37 rec, 445 yards, 6 tds
    HOU - Bryant Johnson - 6 rec, 90 yards, 1 td
    IND - Anthony Gonzalez - 0 rec, 0 yards, 0 tds
    JAC - Chastin West - 13 rec, 163 yards, 2 tds
    KC - Keary Colbert - 9 rec, 89 yards, 0 tds
    MIA - Clyde Gates - 2 rec, 19 yards, 0 tds
    MIN - Greg Camarillo - 9 rec, 121 yards, 0 tds
    NE - Julian Edelman - 4 rec, 34 yards, 0 tds
    NO - Devery Henderson - 32 rec, 503 yards, 2 tds
    NYG - Ramses Barden - 9 rec, 94 yards, 0 tds
    NYJ - Patrick Turner - 8 rec, 96 yards, 1 td
    OAK - Jacoby Ford - 19 rec, 279 yards, 1 td
    PHI - Riley cooper - 16 rec, 315 yards, 1 td
    PIT - Emmanuel Sanders - 22 rec, 288 yards, 2 tds
    SD - Vincent Brown - 19 rec, 329 yards, 2 tds
    SF - Braylon Edwards - 15 rec, 181 yards, 0 tds
    SEA - Sidney Rice - 32 rec, 484 yards, 2 tds
    STL - Austin Pettis - 27 rec, 256 yards, 0 tds
    TB - Arrelious Benn - 30 rec, 441 yards, 3 tds
    TEN - Kenny Britt - 17 rec, 289 yards, 3 tds
    WAS - Leonard Hankerson - 13 rec, 163 yards, 0 tds

    To say that Driver was unproductive, uneffective, too old, too slow, and or not good is just flat out wrong. He was by and large the most effective fourth wide receiver on any team. He's insurance at this point in his career. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. Let the numbers speak for themselves.
    How much of those numbers depends on a scheme where the WRs down to #5 are all involved? I bet Cobb's numbers as the #5 receiver were way out of this world when compared to other #5s. All these numbers show is that Green Bay's scheme is different. Except for maybe New Orleans.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
      Wasn't last year the year where he played a couple games without a catch ? If you watched him run he was hobbling around everywhere
      I thought that was 2010, where they said he was OK but clearly wasn't feeling it until that San Fran catch and run. In 2011, the only game without a catch was Week 3 versus the Bears.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by OS PA View Post
        Numbers
        Driver was
        76th in yards
        67th in receptions
        74th in 1st downs
        26th in touchdowns

        He had the 4th best numbers for a WR on our team. Here are the numbers for all of the other 4th ranked wide receivers on their teams.

        BUF - Donald Jones - 23 rec, 231 yards, 1 td
        CHI - Devin Hester - 26 rec, 369 yards, 1td
        CIN - Andrew Hawkins - 23 rec, 263 yards, 0 tds
        CLE - Jordan Norwood - 23 rec, 268 yards, 1 td
        GB - Donald Driver - 37 rec, 445 yards, 6 tds
        JAC - Chastin West - 13 rec, 163 yards, 2 tds
        NO - Devery Henderson - 32 rec, 503 yards, 2 tds
        PIT - Emmanuel Sanders - 22 rec, 288 yards, 2 tds
        SD - Vincent Brown - 19 rec, 329 yards, 2 tds
        SEA - Sidney Rice - 32 rec, 484 yards, 2 tds
        STL - Austin Pettis - 27 rec, 256 yards, 0 tds
        TB - Arrelious Benn - 30 rec, 441 yards, 3 tds

        To say that Driver was unproductive, uneffective, too old, too slow, and or not good is just flat out wrong. He was by and large the most effective fourth wide receiver on any team. He's insurance at this point in his career. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. Let the numbers speak for themselves.
        Its impressive, but the list itself is problematic. Several receivers are terrible and played as the fourth only because of injuries or contract situations (West, Brown). Several players here were better than the 4th WR but were hurt (Hester, Rice).

        Second, Driver should be the 3rd WR as he started at WR in 14 games and played the slot in 3 and 4 WR combos. He also played 16 games for the first or second most prolific offense in football. So relative to chances, his production looks more limited. And I think my question still stands, what would Cobb have done in his place?

        All else being equal, he probably deserves a full shot at #5. But no one stays the same. He is getting older and is more expensive than the PS guys and he will not be on STs.

        BTW, if was nice seeing preseason favorite Chastin "Toolbelt" West on the list, even if it was for the Jags.
        Last edited by pbmax; 05-07-2012, 10:21 AM.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by OS PA View Post
          To say that Driver was unproductive, uneffective, too old, too slow, and or not good is just flat out wrong. He was by and large the most effective fourth wide receiver on any team. He's insurance at this point in his career. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less. Let the numbers speak for themselves.
          Point made, but you are kinda setting up a strawman argument. Did anyone say that last year he was all of those things? I sure didn't, and I am not sure that anyone else saying anything that strong about his play last year either. My opinion is that the writing is on the wall (right or wrong), he's not getting younger and this year he is unlikely to be as good as last year. That might be enough of a dip that he doesn't make the team. It has to happen sometime and looking only at the past year will guarantee you keep him one year too many.

          For the sake of argument, assume that Driver's stats this coming year were nearly the same as last year (almost no drop off from age at all). Most people would be OK with him staying, so long as no other new WR showed a lot of ability and promise. I'm just saying there's a reasonable chance he is going to dip further next year, it must happen at some point and there is no good reason to deny that it might be this year.

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          • #65
            It's hard to imagine the Packers without Donald Driver, but the team is so deep at wide receiver, he might not have a home in Green Bay come September.


            Donald Driver might be odd man out in Green Bay.


            By Marc Sessler NFL.com Writer
            • Published: May 11, 2012 at 08:55 a.m.
            • Updated: May 11, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
            "Two weeks ago, coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson declined to comment when asked if Driver would be at training camp. One major roadblock: the $4.8 million he's due this season, a figure set to be chopped heavily if he sticks.

            It's hard to imagine the Packers minus Driver. He's been with the team since 1999, playing in 192 games during that span. The organization understands Driver remains an intensely popular figure in Green Bay, but as the team pieces together a roster geared on playoff revenge, it's no sure thing the veteran will be around for one more season." Fr. Story

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