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    There has been a lot of speculation about the moving parts of the Packer defense what with all the new toys they've added and a bunch of discussion on what this year will look like. I'm going to give my speculation right here for how I see it going down. The Packers are a 3-4 base defense but they spend nearly 3/4 of snaps playing something else. For the last three seasons including Woodson's defensive player of the year season and the superbowl season that has primarily been a 2-4 defense which looks like this:


    Why were the Packers so successful with this formation? Well because they actually run multiple versions. Turn's out when the Packers want to stop the run they are among the best in the NFL. The 2-4 actually works on that principle--the Packers are so good against the run that Dom invites offenses to try it. It works for a couple of reasons but mainly Charles Woodson. Good schemes put players in a position to be successful and this scheme is built to make Woodson a star by inventing a position for him. Schematically he counts as an extra DB, but in reality he's as good as a LB when playing near the line. Against the run our 2-4 can be much like a 4-3, if you imagine both DE's standing up and being called OLB's and Woodson being an OLB but being called a CB. Really Dom took the Packers' biggest strength, stopping the run, and used it to create a well rounded defense by putting run stuffing players in a pass stopping formation. The perfect Dom Capers three and out goes like this:

    1st and 10: The Packers bring out their 2-4 with Pickett and Raji as the down lineman. The offense sees the formation, audibles to a run and gains 6 yards.

    2nd and 4: The Packers now bring out their 3-4, sending Sam Shields to the sideline and replace him with CJ Wilson. The offense just ran for an easy 6 yards, they're going to try it again but are now stuffed for a 1 yard gain.

    3rd and 3: This is a passing down and distance so the Packers go back to the 2-4, this time with Raji and Wynn as the down lineman. Tramon and Sam move up to the line to press. Pressure and coverage yield an incomplete pass. Offense punts.

    So why did the defense suck last year? That 3rd down scenario stopped happening. Tramon had a shoulder injury and was no longer effective in press coverage--so bad even that they stopped asking him to try. The interior pass rush was diminished. But part of it was the offense was just that the league started to catch on, and that daring teams to run was no longer effective when that team is down by 24.

    The Peyton Manning Colts are an example of a team with a potent offense that it built its defense to sell out against the pass. Their defensive line is small and fast, their coverage is a smothering tampa-2 shell. They sold out vs the pass a little too hard though where teams would and could run if for no other reason than to shorten the game, keep the ball out of Peyton's hands and give them a better chance at an upset.

    This draft makes me think the Packers are about to make another change and field a defense that is less balanced but more suitable for playing with the lead. We're going to sell out against the pass. We drafted, a pure pass-rusher in Perry, we drafted a pure 1-gap style DT in Daniels, we got a LB who excels on 3rd down, and a corner who excels with his back to the basket which is a perfect skill set for those non-aggressive smothering styles of defense. I think what we'll be looking a lot more Colts-like but it sure looks like we've now got the personnel to both stuff the run or play with the lead. Early in games we probably won't look that different, we'll dare teams to run effectively stop that and build a lead. The difference is that when team's are forced to pass into the teeth of our defense, we'll have some serious upgrades. Here's a 2012 perfect 3-and-out:

    1st and 10: The Packers bring out the 2-4, Bush replaces Shields, Pickett and Worthy/Raji/Muir will be the two down linemen. In other words our best 2-gap players will maul and control the guards, and hopefully draw a double team. Perry will be playing in place of Walden on the right side. We'll dare the defense to run and protect against the big play. Since this really won't change, and this isn't where the packers were desperate for improvement.

    2nd and 4: The Packers have a new look for 2nd and 4. The Packers put Perry with his hand down outside the LT and make him responsible for just the C-gap, lined up next to him is Worthy/Daniels who responsible for just the B-gap, Raji lines up over the center and plays 2-gap, Pickett lines up over the RT and plays 2-gap, Clay lines up outside the TE and drops into coverage, blitzes, whatever. This is the 4-3 hybrid some of you have been describing recently as being piloted by the Patriots of late. Essentially this is a 4-3 to one side of the field and a 3-4 to the other side. It fits the Packers current personnel arguably better than our own traditional 3-4 now as we have exactly 2 dominant 2-gap players, Worthy who is at his best shooting a gap and locating the football, and Perry who can put his hand down and go or get outside and contain. The Packers can shift into and out of this at any time to get dream scenarios... like Clay Isolated on a TE, Raji isolated on the Center.

    3rd and 3: The Pack gets Sam Shields back on the field for a 2-4. Raji/Worthy/Daniels/Wynn will all get opportunities, keeping all of them on a pitch count and preventing everyone from wearing down. Clay and Nick pin their ears back from a 2 point stance. Woodson will be moved around more to Safety and ILB in order to get Hayward on the field covering the slot. Those two are such a ball-hawking presence in the slot that it should lead to another season on excessive turnovers. I think the shelves have been sufficiently restocked to have this package be a strength once again. Once Woodson is no longer the play-making monster of this defense, the Packers will have the versatility of 1 and 2 gap specialists to mold it around someone else but in this position we've created for him it would't surprise me if that's later rather than sooner.
    70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

  • #2
    Love the ideas and analysis. Great post.

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    • #3
      I think the defense sucked because of accumulated bad luck at one position group over short period: First round draft pick Justin Harrell - fail. 2nd round pick Mike Neal - dud. Johnny Jolly follows terrific season with endless lost weekend. Cullin Jenkins - doh! Howard Green - one and done. Unsteady backups.

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      • #4
        Nice post. All of this will be further accentuated if McMillian can provide an upgrade over Peprah.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
            What does Cletidus Hunt have to do with this?
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #7
              Y'all gots to give Ol' Cleedeeus a break! Ol' Cleedeeus ben on the ablounger to lose that spare set of tires!

              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #8
                That ain't Ol'Cleedeeus. Where's the bling?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 3irty1 View Post

                  So why did the defense suck last year? That 3rd down scenario stopped happening. Tramon had a shoulder injury and was no longer effective in press coverage--so bad even that they stopped asking him to try. The interior pass rush was diminished. But part of it was the offense was just that the league started to catch on, and that daring teams to run was no longer effective when that team is down by 24.
                  Shields and Burnett also got hurt - that didn't help - along with losing Collins. And Woodson wasn't a sure tackler. And you're right, teams stopped taking the bait on first down. Dom needs to revamp the recipe

                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Farley Face View Post
                    Nice post.
                    Thanks. It's good to finally get a little recognition around here.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                      Thanks. It's good to finally get a little recognition around here.
                      Congratulations. It only took you 6 years and 17,000 posts.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #12
                        That was because of his 7,000 free agent updates.
                        "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
                          That ain't Ol'Cleedeeus. Where's the bling?
                          fo' shizzle I beez sportin' da bling wen ize out wid da pacman!


                          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
                            I think the defense sucked because of accumulated bad luck at one position group over short period: First round draft pick Justin Harrell - fail. 2nd round pick Mike Neal - dud. Johnny Jolly follows terrific season with endless lost weekend. Cullin Jenkins - doh! Howard Green - one and done. Unsteady backups.
                            The defense sucked b/c we switched schemes 4 seasons ago, and in 4 drafts after the switch TT brought in 3 players that fit the new scheme. 3 players out of a needed 14-15. That's why the defense sucked.

                            TT tried to play the '08 season with Kampman and Thompson at OLB; he drafted Raji and Matthews in '09 - okay, a good start; and he drafted Neal in '10. That's it... a scheme change, and in 4 offseasons TT only brings in 3 players?? Why are any of you surprised that the front seven sucked whorish tits??

                            As for Harrell, everybody knew he was a bust; Neal is looking like Harrell part deux; and TT was never going to pay Jenkins, and everyone knew it. That's not bad luck, that's poor player personnel evaluation. Even if TT had some delusion that Harrell would all of sudden produce, he still knew he was going to let Jenkins walk, and Jolly was already covered in red flags. TT simply did not lift a finger to cover the DL, and the front seven in general.

                            We're just discussing DL here... that's before you ever start picking about that pathetic LB'ing corp.

                            Bottom line is, TT did next to nothing to complete the scheme change he started in '08... it bit him in the ass last year; and that led to this year's knee-jerk reaction draft in which TT had to - absolutely had to - target every pick for scheme specific players. Had TT and the Packers paid even the least bit of attention to the front seven in '10 and '11, maybe we win the SB last year too, and we're not faced with the worst defense in the NFL and a panic draft.
                            wist

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                            • #15
                              Wist, you can't be serious. That's disgraceful.

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