GB Packer Roster - who drafted whom

[Sparkey]

Of the 90 players on the roster at the start of training camp, 64 were brought to Green Bay by GM Ted Thompson. Considering that he’s only been on the job for 18 months, that’s a truly staggering number. In contrast, only 15 players acquired by his predecessor, Mike Sherman, are still around. Considering that he was on the job for 44 months, that’s an equally staggering number. The remaining 11 players were brought in by Ron Wolf, who retired in 2001. “Thompson has turned over the roster in a hurry,” said a regional scout for another team. “Those numbers point out just how bad a job Sherman did as the general manager and why the Packers bottomed out last season. Just how good a talent evaluator Thompson is will determine how quickly things turn around.”

Not to keep piling on, but only four of Sherman's players are projected as starters this season. The remaining 20 starters are split almost equally between Thompson (11) and Wolf (9). And it’s important to remember that Thompson worked closely with Wolf from 1992 to 1999. “I’ll give Sherman a lot of credit for Scott Wells, Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett and Al Harris, but for the most part, it’s almost like his four years as GM didn’t exist,” said the scout. “In my opinion, it’s going to take Thompson about that long to get the talent level back to where it needs to be. So fans need to be patient. Thompson knows what he has to do and he’s doing it, but it’s going to take some time.”

(We gave Wolf “credit" for the '01 draft which produced Robert Ferguson and David Martin. We’re sure he’s thrilled)

[woodbuck27]

Nice work on that post Sparkey.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD FAITH FOR OUR FUTURE !!

[Willard]

I know new administrations (GMs & coaches) like to bring in their own people, but those numbers are really staggering. Especially when considering there are almost as many Wolf people than Sherman people. Ouch! Thanks for posting.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Eye-opening numbers, for sure. Thanks for the info Sparkey. Supports my belief that Sherman destroyed our depth. Once we're on more solid-footing in some areas of this team, we'll be able to take injury hits and not crack like a fragile egg.

tyler

[Chester Marcol]

Great post. That scout hit the nail on the head and supports my arguments as well.

[FavreChild]

Supports my belief that TT is a megalomaniac puppetmaster. Just not sure if that's good or bad yet (altho I have some opinions on the matter).

Excellent post, Sparkey.

[Sparkey]

^BUMP^

[falco]

Sparkey;

your statistics are a little misleading; throughout the season the roster can only have 53 players...so the current GM has to have brought the other 37.

I'm not saying anything Sherman did was great...but you'd be best served by waiting until the season to make your point, once all the riff raff is cleaned out.

[Mazzin]

Where is the article, of the reporter saying that, if you don't mind me asking of course, but I agree. At first I hated TT now im warming up to his ol' ass!

[mraynrand]

"“I’ll give Sherman a lot of credit for Scott Wells, Aaron Kampman, Nick Barnett and Al Harris, but for the most part, it’s almost like his four years as GM didn’t exist,” said the scout."

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I guess he can't give Sherman credit for Javon Walker, because this Pro Bowler got traded for a #2 pick. And that pick allowed TT, with trades, to pick four more guys, all of which will make the team, but starters? That remains to be seen. Barry (rookie FA) was injured, and Davenport and Carroll will likely be strong contributors, if not starters. Jenkins (rookie FA) and Peterson will back up the D-line

This scout is also a moron - Sherman was GM for three, not four seasons. Sherman had a vastly different philosophy than TT (win now with Favre), which led to trades for Glenn and Harris and risky FA moves like picking up Joe Johnson (which was necessitated by the atrocious Reynolds pick).

Ron Wolf had a tremendous GM year in 2000, and stunk up the joing in 1999 and 2001. Sherman had a good year in 2002 (his first with Hatley), stunk up the joint (so far) in 2004, and had a marginal year in 2003 (Barnett and the Harris trade). See what happens to TT picks from the past two years and next year. I hope TT's guys play better than last year's starters, but he will possibly start five FAs (Woodson, Pickett, Manuel, the tackle from Giants, and possibly Ben Taylor at LB). Who is to say that Sherman wouldn't have picked up the same or better FAs?

I admit, I like the idea of stockpiling draft picks and building from the bottom up, but I also like the fact that Sherman placed a premium on the O-line, protecting Favre, and doing everything he could to win now. I hope it doesn't take too many years for TT to generate the same W-L percentage that Sherman had when he was GM (.667).

[test]

now im warming up to his ol' ass!

there's a visual I didn't need.

[vince]

I hope it doesn't take too many years for TT to generate the same W-L percentage that Sherman had when he was GM (.667).

These kinds of statistics are frustrating, because they are so misleading.

Sherman inherited a talented team and, with Ron Wold as GM, coached it to consistent winning records - but TT inherited Sherman's garbage.

To use a statistic like this to insinuate that Sherman is a better GM than TT is just not right.

[Sparkey]

I hope it doesn't take too many years for TT to generate the same W-L percentage that Sherman had when he was GM (.667).

These kinds of statistics are frustrating, because they are so misleading.

Sherman inherited a talented team and, with Ron Wold as GM, coached it to consistent winning records - but TT inherited Sherman's garbage.

To use a statistic like this to insinuate that Sherman is a better GM than TT is just not right.

Some of you are reading more into the article than there is. I am not trying too portray either Sherman or TT as better or less than the other.

I am merely pointing out the rapid turnover in such a short period of time. Time will tell if TT is making the right moves, but it is astounding how vastly different the two see players.

BJ Sander for example:

Sherman trades up into the third too get him
TT replaces him with a CFL standout

Obviously Sherman sacrificed the future for the present. Another example of why the HC and the GM should never be the same person. Each position has different goals. HC is for the here and now, while the GM is for the here and tomorrow.

[SD GB fan]

wat happened to APB? i can see him posting in this thread

[woodbuck27]

"Another example of why the HC and the GM should never be the same person. Each position has different goals. HC is for the here and now, while the GM is for the here and tomorrow." Sparkey

Sparkey:

Did you post the Link to that article somewhere in this thread? Maybe you did already/ I'm reading through it again this AM and I'd like to see the source - Thank You.

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I continue.

"Another example of why the HC and the GM should never be the same person. Each position has different goals. HC is for the here and now, while the GM is for the here and tomorrow." Sparkey

Today in Green Bay, I (generally) agree with that statement Sparkey.

In Green Bay, we are coming to, the post Favre - Green Era.

I am posting as "the Packer fan". I'm a serious Packer fan as YOU may be learning. I am posting (here) from who I am as a person. The respect I possess. The intelligence I am bless'd with. The passion that's in me.The fairness that's in me.

To assess OUR team as fans. Isn't it an advantage to know that Ted Thompson and his Scouting and Player Development people are seperate and supporting the HC (and his Staff)?

Please anyone? Enlighten me to any difference of opinion in this matter/issue?

The remainder of this post, isn't directed at you specifically Sparkey.

As a board, I am confident that we would reach a conclusion that Mike Sherman left OUR cupboard bare in his service to us as OUR GM.

Personally, I deem that MS was overall, a successful Regular Season HC.

His style of coaching in games, certainly left in me something to be desired and I point to clock management , stale Offensive play calling (too predictable - to game plan against) and when to or not - fire away on "O".

ie ..... Do I go for it. here? Mike Sherman (Head Coach) always seemed too worried on the sidelines and pre-occupied.

Where I come fr. we say - not cool.

To be a Packer Head coach and have Brett Favre as your QB ( he's my man, so don't read too much into this - please ) would drive most HC's to distraction, at times. Favre makes me nervous but overall I am 100% confident in his play as OUR QB. If that changes I'll tell you of my concerns. As a Packer fan I'm not blind nor stubborn.

Brett Favre overall with (almost anyone) with him... HE's " the SHIT ".

Geee - There I go with "the schitty" comments.

mraynrand points out errors in the article, discrediting how long MS wore this or that hat. That is why I'd appreciate the whole Article - the source.

As a GM (generally) Mike Sherman failed us.

YET.... all you Mike Sherman HATER's....

I challenge you - rebut YOU (as you identify yourself) "in hatred of Mike Sherman" as follows:

Mike Sherman had/has value.

As a Man of the Green Bay Community. He certainly brought "the Packers" to and to serve the community. He had PR skills that Ted Thompson leaves to be desired in my view.

This isn't about Mike Sherman Vs.Ted Thompson.

Mike Sherman "worked his tail off".... for the Green Bay Packers.

Evidence of that can be taken two ways. Sometimes we perceive he over did it and took a nap on the job (SC). Other evidence supports the fact that the task of HC and GM of the Green baty packers was too much for him. His competency as a HC and GM can be successfully challenged but that is moot now. Mike Sheman is now in "the houston texan's organization" and his record there is ahead of us.

Back to - working too hard.

Ever do that people? Over do it ? Work too HARD ? Fall flat on your ass for that?

I'm certainly for proper treatment of the players and especially Vet's that have given and given to me "the Packer fan".

I'm this ! It's really ALL ABOUT - the FANS.

I saw Mike Sherman, in a good light in that regard. His players loved Mike Sherman...Head Coach.

Certainly we have evidence of that specifically when Mike Sherman was FIRED by Ted Thompson. Mike Sherman demonstrated strength-dignity in his final days in Green Bay. He spoke of his love for his team in Green Bay.

Can't we respect those positives in Mike Sherman (instead of) blaming and hatred for Mike Sherman - human being, and former GM and Head Coach of "the Green Bay Packers"??

HATRED of Mike Sherman??? HATRED?

DO YOU the Packer fan and fellow human being - deserve to do that - to yourself?

Who "in hell " ever deserves that POWER over YOU?


I hate it - when people HATE !!!!

Mike Sherman no longer deserves OUR HATE as Packer fans. PLEASE let it GO !!!! Let's as Packer fans on this Packer HOME - Stop HATING "a Man that tried his BEST (and is Damned) for an Organization he was dedicated to and loved.

Let's please - GO there despite his short fallings as a GM and even a Head coach

PLEASE..... Mike Sherman is a better person and Man than many of us posting here. Examine YOURSELF !!!

You posters are passionate about your Packers and American football (the NFL and College football).

News FLASH !!!!!

That is part of me as a Canadian, and how we view the Biggy up here - The NHL. You Ladies and gents are passionate about football and baseball and basketball and not so much hockey.

Canadians are BIG - ON THEM ALL.

Canadians = VERY MUCH - PRO Sport's Fans.

Nearly 70 K FANS in Lambeau last Saturday. We arn't as passionate (always) about OUR CFL teams, as Packer fans granted; but as Sports fans....... We are passionate and as passionate as you may be.

I'm passionate for "this Forum".

Declarations of hatred, blasphemy and visciousness anywhere / anytime - disgust me.

Maybe it does - YOU - GOOD, to hate away? You are then "subject to your hatred" and given - to it's POWER.

My name is Ed.

GO PACKERS ! HOLD FAITH FOR OUR FUTURE !!