Minicamp June 2012

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Woodson not at safety at all. Did not play in base at all (neither CB or S) as he works his way back into football shape after missing OTAs.

In individual drills, worked with CBs.

Mike Vandermause @MikeVandermause
MM: Woodson's role may change somewhere between 6 and 8% compared to where he's played in past. Not re-creating the wheel with him.

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Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky

Here's the DNP list: Green, Peprah, Burnett, Matthews, Zombo, Brooks, Johnny Jones, Daniels, Sherrod, Quarless. Burnett is a new DNP.

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Also,

Pete Dougherty @PeteDougherty
One other player not on field who practiced at OTAs, S Anthony Levine

And further proof that Jersey #91 should be retired due to curse, Lawrence Guy left practice early.
Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
As @DennisKrause1 observes as Lawrence Guy leaves #Packers practice, No. 91 has bad karma: Justin Harrell, Joe Johnson, Jonathan Brown ...

Bush ahead of Shields in base D.

[MadtownPacker]

Yeah but who got arrested?

[Fritz]

Damn. Lawrence Guy might be the 7th round version of Justin Harrell.

[Smeefers]

It's suddenly talking points about how the media made too much about C wood being at Safety or CB. I heard it on the radio and read it on ESPN. Wood's always moved around and he's never going to be in a traditional safety role. They're going to put him on the field where he has a chance to make a play. If that's safety, so be it. If it's nickle, then that's it. Then they talked about the complexity of DC's defense and how he probably just has a position named Woodson.

Then Seifert agreed that they made too much out of it, but defended the articles by saying that Woods headed for canton, so any change to his role deserves to be examined - which I think is fair.

[Little Whiskey]

Also,


And further proof that Jersey #91 should be retired due to curse, Lawrence Guy left practice early.
Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde
As @DennisKrause1 observes as Lawrence Guy leaves #Packers practice, No. 91 has bad karma: Justin Harrell, Joe Johnson, Jonathan Brown ...

Bush ahead of Shields in base D.

I always think of Brian Noble as 91......another guy who was hurt. bad knees if i remember right.

[Guiness]

Bush ahead of Shields in base D.

um, what? At CB?

[Fritz]

It's suddenly talking points about how the media made too much about C wood being at Safety or CB. I heard it on the radio and read it on ESPN. Wood's always moved around and he's never going to be in a traditional safety role. They're going to put him on the field where he has a chance to make a play. If that's safety, so be it. If it's nickle, then that's it. Then they talked about the complexity of DC's defense and how he probably just has a position named Woodson.

Then Seifert agreed that they made too much out of it, but defended the articles by saying that Woods headed for canton, so any change to his role deserves to be examined - which I think is fair.

So how down-to-the-minutiae does MM actually get when he says he sees Woodson's role changing by "6 - 8%"?

I love that. 6 - 8 %.

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um, what? At CB?

Yeppers. At CB in base. Shields in for nickel with Woodson in the slot.

[RashanGary]

I read that Capers did play Woodson at safety last year. They call it corner Okie. Okie is 3-4. Although they played very little of any version of the 3-4 last year.

Capers said you could see more corner Okie this year. It sounds like Woodson is going to be at safety a little more. Maybe 6%-8% more if it's possible to read between the lines there.

Whitt said he didn't play a down of outside corner in the Lions game and maybe a couple handfuls in the entire NFC north games. If you have 7 big guys on the field, keeping Woodson inside makes a lot more sense than strapping him down outside. His real position is inside-corner/rover/offenses worst nightmare. Whitt calls Woodson's spot the money spot. He didn't call it corner or safety. Just "the money spot." Wood is a different kind of player. People get caught up labeling things. Some things just don't fit a label quite right. Woodson is that kind of player and plays that kind of role.

I could see Wood playing outside against jumbo/short yardage looks. I don't see him out there much at all, really. And like usual, we're not going to see much 3-4, so you're still going to have 2 traditional safeties on the field almost all of the time anyway.


If corner and safety are the only two positions on the football field and nickle corner is still considered corner, I'd call Woodson a corner. If him playing outside is what makes him a corner, I'd call him a safety. I think he'll play more safety than outside corner but neither will come remotely close to his inside rover spot.

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Link to Capers saying more corner Oakie? Haven't seen that. Or don't remember it.

Corner Oakie was used less last year than 2010 according to McGinn, so an increase might look similar to the Super Bowl year. I have seen McCarthy say he might want to see more base and resist the urge to go nickel as early as they did the last two years. That could mean more corner Oakie. But the talk this offseason was not corner Oakie more on first down. It was moving Woodson to safety to replace Collins. And it doesn't look like that is happening. And it shouldn't. Woodson is not a safety.

But McCarthy, who tracks reps like an accountant tracks beans, already has an estimate of how much Woodson's role might change and its 6-8% of snaps. Which would add roughly 60-80 plays of Woodson somewhere he wasn't last year.

So the entire offseason of speculation that Woodson will be moved to safety is once again off target. If things go according to plan, and they almost never do, he will play the rough equivalent of one game at positions different than last year.

[RashanGary]

To be real, PB, the Packers play very little 3-4 defense. It's a small fraction compared to 5 and 6 DB looks. So to say Woodson would be playing safety in nickle defense. . . I don't think anyone or their mother was saying that.

When it comes to your 3-4 look. If you call that base (and I know you do.) then Woodson playing "corner okie" in the 3-4 looks would mean he's a "safety."

But since 3-4 is such a small percentage of our defense, and Woodson's primary role is as an inside corner. . . . The reality is, he's a corner, even if he plays safety in your famous base 3-4 defense.


I think he's an inside corner/rover who would take the place of a safety when we go 3-4. Always thought that, and now it's playing out that way.

[RashanGary]

If I had to list your starters on defense last year, I would go like this. . . .

Tramon Williams (outside cover corner)
Sam Shields (outside cover corner)
Charles Woodson (inside corner, aka "money spot")

Clay Matthews (OLB)
Shit wad Walden (OLB)
Bishop (ILB)
Hawk (ILB)

Raji DL
Pickett DL


I call this our starting defense because the reality is, we start and end games in nickle defense. I don't know how you'd call the 3rd DL from last year a starter when we played 3 DL maybe 25% of the snaps we played with 3 CB's.

[Upnorth]

I'm with guiness when he said oh shit with out saying . I like Bush but not as our starting CB, and I don't like what this says about shields. I envisioned big things for him, not this.