PLEASE ANYONE - HELP ME to Understand !!

[Patler]

TTs moves make a lot more sense to me since I changed the criteria I was using to evaluate them.

I used to look at them from a perspective of "Is this going to help us win games?", and I just ended up being more and more confused with every move. But then I started looking at all TT's decisions since he came here from the perspective of "Is this going to help us get better draft picks" and everything started to get clearer. Try it, you'd be surprised.

IMO, TT is a draft junkie. It's what he lives for, it's all he's ever done and lived for. He hates FA, he doesn't believe in trades (especially if he has to give up draft picks). Draft day to him is the World Series of Poker.

Don't believe me? Just wait and see where we're drafting next year after the moves TT makes this year.

I think to understand TT the perspective is to ask this question, "Will this likely help us be a true contender in 2007, 2008 and later, or is this just to help us win a game or so in 2006?"

I'm not sure TT cares what their record is in 2006. His goal is to lay the groundwork to be a true playoff contender sometime in the future, and most of his decisions are based on that.

[Packnut]

TT

TTs moves make a lot more sense to me since I changed the criteria I was using to evaluate them.

I used to look at them from a perspective of "Is this going to help us win games?", and I just ended up being more and more confused with every move. But then I started looking at all TT's decisions since he came here from the perspective of "Is this going to help us get better draft picks" and everything started to get clearer. Try it, you'd be surprised.

IMO, TT is a draft junkie. It's what he lives for, it's all he's ever done and lived for. He hates FA, he doesn't believe in trades (especially if he has to give up draft picks). Draft day to him is the World Series of Poker.

Don't believe me? Just wait and see where we're drafting next year after the moves TT makes this year.

I think to understand TT the perspective is to ask this question, "Will this likely help us be a true contender in 2007, 2008 and later, or is this just to help us win a game or so in 2006?"

I'm not sure TT cares what their record is in 2006. His goal is to lay the groundwork to be a true playoff contender sometime in the future, and most of his decisions are based on that.

I would hope that is'nt really what he is thinking. He has a responsibility to at least put a competitive team out on the field.

[Patler]

Re: TT

TTs moves make a lot more sense to me since I changed the criteria I was using to evaluate them.

I used to look at them from a perspective of "Is this going to help us win games?", and I just ended up being more and more confused with every move. But then I started looking at all TT's decisions since he came here from the perspective of "Is this going to help us get better draft picks" and everything started to get clearer. Try it, you'd be surprised.

IMO, TT is a draft junkie. It's what he lives for, it's all he's ever done and lived for. He hates FA, he doesn't believe in trades (especially if he has to give up draft picks). Draft day to him is the World Series of Poker.

Don't believe me? Just wait and see where we're drafting next year after the moves TT makes this year.

I think to understand TT the perspective is to ask this question, "Will this likely help us be a true contender in 2007, 2008 and later, or is this just to help us win a game or so in 2006?"

I'm not sure TT cares what their record is in 2006. His goal is to lay the groundwork to be a true playoff contender sometime in the future, and most of his decisions are based on that.

I would hope that is'nt really what he is thinking. He has a responsibility to at least put a competitive team out on the field.

But its not that one way he goes 0-16 and the other 8-8. My point is that he doesn't care if they are 7-9, 8-8 or 9-7 this year. His concern is that a few year from now they are legitimately considered to be a contender.

[Lare]

I'm not arguing the fact that some of TT's moves may actually help us be a contending team again at some point in the future.

All I'm saying is that all of his moves will in some way help us to have a chance at the #1 pick in next year's draft.

[brindle]

To get a sense of what TT's strategy for this team might be, read The Packer Way. It is a management book written by Wolf describing his philosophy in putting the 1996 team together.

[woodbuck27]

I'm not arguing the fact that some of TT's moves may actually help us be a contending team again at some point in the future.

All I'm saying is that all of his moves will in some way help us to have a chance at the #1 pick in next year's draft.

WOW !! I think your saying he's tossing it?

That is a BOLD position Lare.

I'm certainly going to be studying the top ten prospects coming out in the draft April 2007 soon. I do that as I'm somewhat a student of the game and I look at the TOP 100 prospects - 200 with some interest. I don't do it thinking we get a top ten pick. I may predict 7 and 9 as OUR seaso's record but I have no real idea what we'll do as yet. I ned to see more in TC.

I want to see it too.

Last season, with all OUR best available to start Vs. "the Lions", I felt that 4-12 was the record, we would not enjoy.

I was very concerned with alot the Ted Thompson seemed to do, that felt strange to me since his arrival what in Jan.2005? He made me shake my head alot, and I'm a little more comfortable with him now, but not yet on his bandwagon. I don't hand over TRUST. It has to be earned (in my books). Especially from Ted Thompson as I'm a passionate Packer fan.It's "the Packers every day for me. EVERY DAY or most.i take breaks but not at this time of the year.

I just wish I was more excited !! I ask myself all the time.Whay if favre hadn't come back. I almost think that some here really believe he's the MAN at QB. Haha !!

I really think OUR Offense is set up (somehow) and I have never understood why TT has allowed that.

The success of the team is predicated by the strength of the OL. Otherwise the QB, RB ,WR and TE skills are compromised over time in the season.

We loose the battle of the clock. We loose it worse as the season progress's. Loose 4 games win one here or there because the opposition has a bad day or it's just worse than OUR BEST which is BAD. Some games. Whatever we have out there. Hits on most cylinders that day.

Also, we have a man with an awesome ability to somehow get us a win or nearly pull it out ( Brett Favre )and now maybe Ahman Green and toss in DD and Bubba who play their hearts out, and that makes it look like were not really far off. It just looks like that.There talent leadership and overall skills have to be replaced and that takes years.

Without that solid OL.

The oppositions defense puts a pounding on OUR Offensive starters and injuries are imminent /probable (adversity - that is guranteed).

The offensive depth we don't have to begin the season, gets thinner as the season progress's and the viscious ciycle begins.

The Defence is on the field too long, as we begin the season, yet we win one here or there because of scattered decent performances on both sides of the ball. Ultimately, the defense wears down, long before the season is over. Injuries (adversity) there as well.

Horrific injuries on both sides of the ball are also a possibility.injuries to older men that ends their careers.

That's almost. . . fricken EVIL.

That can't be.

That sounds like "a Stephen King Horror/thriller", with the movie script soon to come.

Ted Thompson and the Packers have to determine and present their best 53 Man Roster at the completion of TC. The media would cruicify Ted Thompson and the Packer fans burn him in effigy if he's designing a failure on OUR side to allow him better position in the draft.

Someone would shoot his ass off.

I rather think that Ted Thompson really doesn't have a stitch of a clue, or is naive about OUR Offense, some of both.

PACKERRATS could form a Committee, and act as the Packer GM by Committee and given the money we had under the CAP this off season. Have a better product on the field than Ted Thompson will ever have an opportunity to choose now for the 2006 season. I really believe that.

I am sure of this !!

Ted Thompson can't help that he's learning. He has a well paid Scouting Dept. that has every access to the Countries best future 3rd ,4th ,5th round draft picks and those that may be available to us in round two. The round one and two - three picks are pretty fundamentle, if anyone spends some 100's of hours studying the talent pool in the draft.

Yet Ted has access to all players available for the draft and he has a team of Scouts that send him lots of info. to set up OUR draft board.

That is where the real time and effort lies as the cost to longterm reward is most beneficial for us.

Could ted be really sandbaging for a higher draft pick.The Number ONE pick?

Brett Favre alone with any WR will fueck that up !! You could be that WR Lare.

GO PACKERS ! FAITH PACKER FANS !!

Let's cancel the DRAFT in 2007 and screw Ted UP !! Take away his fix.

[the_idle_threat]

To get a sense of what TT's strategy for this team might be, read The Packer Way. It is a management book written by Wolf describing his philosophy in putting the 1996 team together.

Welcome to the forum, brindle!

That title rings a bell ... Wasn't it kinda geared toward business management, using the Packers a a model? Or am I thinking of something else?