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Uh-oh. Early sign that Jennings won't be re-signed?
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He was the second highest rated WR last year behind Calvin Johnson in non-PPR leagues. His numbers (mainly TDs) will drop, but I don't think they'll drop as much as people think. He won't be as efficient (his efficiency numbers were epic and as good as you'll ever see), but I see him having more targets. I expect 1000 yards and 10 TDs and that puts him in the top 10 at WR for me. BTW, it's likely that a majority of the top 10 WRs numbers will drop. CJ probably won't get 16 TDs again. Welker and Cruz probably won't get 1500+ yards and 9 TDs again. I have my doubts about Fitzgerald repeating his numbers. Same with Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, and Vincent Jackson.Originally posted by pbmax View PostJordy is not repeating those numbers again."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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What a delightful dilemma we are presenting for our opponents this coming year. Who in the hell do they double? Jordy? Jennings? Cobb? Finley? And then there's Benson back there looming to carry the rock or grab a pass out of the backfield. And even if they cover all of their bases there's Aaron running wild. This is gonna be fun!
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So long as the Oline holds up look the hell out NFL! you aint seen nothin yet.Originally posted by Pugger View PostWhat a delightful dilemma we are presenting for our opponents this coming year. Who in the hell do they double? Jordy? Jennings? Cobb? Finley? And then there's Benson back there looming to carry the rock or grab a pass out of the backfield. And even if they cover all of their bases there's Aaron running wild. This is gonna be fun!
All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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Originally posted by Pugger View PostWhat a delightful dilemma we are presenting for our opponents this coming year. Who in the hell do they double? Jordy? Jennings? Cobb? Finley? And then there's Benson back there looming to carry the rock or grab a pass out of the backfield. And even if they cover all of their bases there's Aaron running wild. This is gonna be fun!
Plus, there are 2-TE packages Clements has talked about. Williams has emerged as a pass catcher. He's much faster than Finley. He runs as well as James Jones. He's good after the catch. He can block.
You can go 4 wide with Finely and Williams inside. . . . Jennings and Nelson outside. You can move Williams into an offset FB-HB type position. Clements has talked about doing that with him, and they've done it in the games.
Run strengths of this group:
Williams and Finley are better blockers than just about any WR
Nelson one of the best blocking WR's in the game
You have three legitimate blockers and a legit RB (Benson)
Pass strengths of this group
Williams runs as fast as Jones and catches everything
Jennings and Nelson are a dominant 1-2 punch out wide
Finley is a heck of a weapon in the passing game
Benson keeps defenses honest
You can run a dozen good formations with this group. Williams can line up all over. Finley too. You can go heavy run or wide open pass. You'll probably see nickle against this group. In that case, you get a very fast player (williams) matched up on a LB. Very few teams have a LB who can run with a TE who runs 4.5. Vernon Davis runs a 4.4. Also, you can have three legitimate blockers combined with Benson.
Play action would be wide open with this group. Safeties will bite, opening up Jennings and Nelson wide, also opening up a lot of things down the seam. There are just so many things you can do with this group. Hell, you can sub Jennings for Kuhn or Crabtree and you're looking at a very big group, and also a group where every perimeter player is an excellent bocker and three of them can stretch the field.
I see this group as a huge big play group, and a group that can run the ball by teams going small.
Williams really brings something to thsi offense IMO. I love his addition and emergence. I'd almost go with this package as our base offense. It's just so versatile with teh run and pass. It's a great first down package.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
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I would love to see the packers having a dominate 2 TE system again, ahh the memories.
Is Williams that good though? You make him sound like a Finley who hasn't realized his potenial and is a better blocker.All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell
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I think I have to put down the Kool-Aid for a bit. I buy Jordy, Jennings, and Finley. Jordy and Jennings because they've produced consistently. Finley because he demands defenses to account for him (based on testimonies from other teams). But Cobb and Benson? As much as I'm totally buying the talent at this point, I don't think teams will worry about doubling Cobb until Cobb has a Jordy season. And Benson isn't exactly a receiving running back. And while he's talented, I want to see what he can do in a pass first offense before anointing him.Originally posted by Pugger View PostWhat a delightful dilemma we are presenting for our opponents this coming year. Who in the hell do they double? Jordy? Jennings? Cobb? Finley? And then there's Benson back there looming to carry the rock or grab a pass out of the backfield. And even if they cover all of their bases there's Aaron running wild. This is gonna be fun!
Regardless, the offense will still be quite good this year.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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Originally posted by Upnorth View PostI would love to see the packers having a dominate 2 TE system again, ahh the memories.
Is Williams that good though? You make him sound like a Finley who hasn't realized his potenial and is a better blocker.
I really do think he's good. You watch him at Arkansas, and he was a hell of a weapon, especially after the catch. He's caught everything thrown to him in camp, it's been one of the stories. He's that 6'2" 250 lb FB/TE build. I'm guessing at his blocking, but they are playing him that way so he has to be at least OK at it. Receiving. He's always been a very talented pass catcher. Very fast, very reliable hands. Very hard worker.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.
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But if Cobb continues the standard improvement arc and lines up in the slot against the opponents 3rd best CB, that's a match-up I really like.Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostI think I have to put down the Kool-Aid for a bit. I buy Jordy, Jennings, and Finley. Jordy and Jennings because they've produced consistently. Finley because he demands defenses to account for him (based on testimonies from other teams). But Cobb and Benson? As much as I'm totally buying the talent at this point, I don't think teams will worry about doubling Cobb until Cobb has a Jordy season. And Benson isn't exactly a receiving running back. And while he's talented, I want to see what he can do in a pass first offense before anointing him.
Regardless, the offense will still be quite good this year.
And with a legitimate ground threat, the D has to pick their poison. Stack the box against Benson, get tore up on the edges, go to zone, open up running lanes.
Agreed that CB isn't a great recieving threat.
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Oh, I absolutely like Cobb against the 3rd CB. I think that's a gimme often. But going against the 3rd CB means he necessarily isn't being doubled, the contention I was making.Originally posted by George Cumby View PostBut if Cobb continues the standard improvement arc and lines up in the slot against the opponents 3rd best CB, that's a match-up I really like.
And with a legitimate ground threat, the D has to pick their poison. Stack the box against Benson, get tore up on the edges, go to zone, open up running lanes.
Agreed that CB isn't a great recieving threat.
There's a lot of talent here, but I think the defenses will choose to make Cobb beat them every time if doubling him means letting Finley or Jennings run on single coverage.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
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Okay, that makes sense.Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostOh, I absolutely like Cobb against the 3rd CB. I think that's a gimme often. But going against the 3rd CB means he necessarily isn't being doubled, the contention I was making.
There's a lot of talent here, but I think the defenses will choose to make Cobb beat them every time if doubling him means letting Finley or Jennings run on single coverage.
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