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  • #61
    Kampman played not badly his year at OLB. Certainly didn't stink the joint up.

    His time in Jax is another story, of course.

    Cullen Jenkins is a good story, the way he was a UDFA, cut, spent a year in NFL Europe then came back and stuck.
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    Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Guiness View Post
      Kampman played not badly his year at OLB. Certainly didn't stink the joint up.
      You are kidding right? How do you explain pass AK's pass coverage abilities?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post

        Bottom Line -- its about winning the super bowl now. If Merriman can still sack the qb its worth it even with declining skills.

        The only way to find out is to bring in for a physical and tryout. Not by reading pseudo gm nonsense on a message board.
        But he hasn't done it since 2007. Does he have to prove his declining skills on the Packers training field when he has proven it in games for other teams, on other practice fields and in other training rooms in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Patler View Post
          But he hasn't done it since 2007. Does he have to prove his declining skills on the Packers training field when he has proven it in games for other teams, on other practice fields and in other training rooms in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
          Again how much is invested in bringing in the guy for a tryout? The point is a high caliber player with declining skills can make a contribution which you fail to recognize.

          Everyone knows SM has declining skills -- ?? How much is left in the tank? Why are so adverse to a physical examination and a tryout? Are you a doctor and a former gm?

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          • #65
            If bringing Merriman for a tryout is such a trivial, painless no-brainer then why has no one done so yet?

            I mean, it's not like Green Bay has the worst pass rushers in the league, and it's not like other teams with serious pass rushing questions couldn't fit Merriman in their scheme.

            I mean, the Patriots could use him, and Bellichick is always taking chances on guys like this (Haynesworth and Ochocinco last year, say.) The Jets could certainly use him, and Ryan has no issue with personalities like Merriman's.
            </delurk>

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            • #66
              Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
              Bottom Line -- its about winning the super bowl now. If Merriman can still sack the qb its worth it even with declining skills.
              I agree with the first part of this statement 100%. The problem with the second part is that it's quite clear to anyone watching that Merriman CAN'T sack the QB any longer. One or two fluke bad seasons didn't prove that about him, a 4 year trend proves that about him. We don't have to bring him in for a tryout to piece that one together. 7 combined sacks over 4 seasons doesn't inspire any confidence going forward at all. Erik Walden and Brad Jones can do that easily, and they're already here. Merriman is going to be a disappointment for whoever signs him. I'd very much rather it be some other team.
              Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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              • #67
                Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                The point is a high caliber player with declining skills can make a contribution which you fail to recognize.
                No, we do recognize that. We just don't recognize Merriman as a high caliber player.

                I'm not a doctor or a former GM. Just a football fan with a television. You know what they say, the camera doesn't lie.
                Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                  Again how much is invested in bringing in the guy for a tryout? The point is a high caliber player with declining skills can make a contribution which you fail to recognize.

                  Everyone knows SM has declining skills -- ?? How much is left in the tank? Why are so adverse to a physical examination and a tryout? Are you a doctor and a former gm?
                  I understand very well the contributions that can come from a player with declining skills.
                  But I also appreciate the time, effort and team/coaching focus that can be wasted chasing a player who is finished.
                  I put Merriman in the second category.

                  You talk about declining skills in Merriman. I would say disappeared skills, not declining. The guy has done absolutely nothing since 2007. When is it over for him? After five years of no contributions? Six? Seven? How long can he live on the hope of the flash from his first three years?

                  All of that said, I will not be surprised if they bring Merriman in for an afternoon tryout after TC is done. I do not expect them to burn a TC roster spot on him, however.

                  Now watch, they will go out and sign him next week !

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                  • #69
                    Wasn't this goofball on 'roids when he set the league on fire but hasn't done squat once he stopped juicing?

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                      Wasn't this goofball on roids when he set the league on fire but hasn't done squat once he stopped juicing?
                      He was caught in 2006. He had one more good year in 2007 before the decline set in.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #71
                        Amazing what knee injuries do to a guy's speed and lack of roids do to a guy's power.
                        Originally posted by 3irty1
                        This is museum quality stupidity.

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                        • #72
                          Wow, the echo chamber pseudo gms do not believe any former elite player with an injury history and declining skills should be given at the bare minimum a tryout.

                          I guess that what happens with Ryan Republicans.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                            Wow, the echo chamber pseudo gms do not believe any former elite player with an injury history and declining skills should be given at the bare minimum a tryout.

                            I guess that what happens with Ryan Republicans.
                            Maybe read what Thompson and McCarthy keep preaching about team chemistry. How they might cut someone with greater ability and keep someone that fit better with the team. Then take a look at Merriman's history. You call people pseudo GMs while yourself attempting to justify "just bringing a guy in to see".
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            This is museum quality stupidity.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Zool View Post
                              Maybe read what Thompson and McCarthy keep preaching about team chemistry. How they might cut someone with greater ability and keep someone that fit better with the team. Then take a look at Merriman's history. You call people pseudo GMs while yourself attempting to justify "just bringing a guy in to see".

                              Also a pseudo gm as well. If Merriman has big time character issues like TO then no tryout. My contention was lets see what Merriman has left in the tank without any guaranteed money.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by rbaloha1 View Post
                                Wow, the echo chamber pseudo gms do not believe any former elite player with an injury history and declining skills should be given at the bare minimum a tryout.

                                I guess that what happens with Ryan Republicans.
                                Of course, the flip side of that argument is that we have another group of pseudo-gms on here who think that every player with a recognizable name should be given a tryout, and any player who was once good still has the possibility to be good, no matter how many years he has played like crap, or been unable to play with injuries since he last was productive..

                                You have still not identified what makes you think he is worth a tryout. Many of us have told you why we think he is not, because he has done nothing for 5 years and has had one injury after another. We have given you facts behind our opinions. You have given us nothing. What makes you think he is worth even a look?

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