Shawne Merriman!

[LegandofthePack15]

I doubt Perry will turn out to be a bum...

I hope not.

[KYPack]

Sorry to disappoint you but the missionaries died off but still have a bad legacy in the islands.

Please visit me during the pro bowl -- mai tais and bikinis await!

& a little of "da kine", if ya don't mind.

Primo will do for the brews.

Sometimes old broken down football players do make an impact, but it's rare braddah.

So for this round I'll side with the lynch mob chasing you around with the noose.

Another aspect of this is time, we really don't have the time to evaluate SM at this point in the season.

I side with brother Guiness, he's gonna get signed after week 1.

Nobody is gonna pay his Bill's deal, he'll be lucky to get Ced's type of contract this year.

[ThunderDan]

In Oakland, Randy Moss was a washed up has-been, too. Then he went to NE, and for the next 3 seasons, made Thompson look like Judge Parins.

Let's look at those three years.

Moss
48 games, 250 rec, 3,765 yards, 47 TDs (23 in 2007 )

Jennings
45 games, 201 rec, 3,325 yards, 25 TDs
Driver
47 games, 226 rec, 3,121 yards, 13 TDs


Where do Moss's catches come from? Do you stunt Jennings or Nelson's development? In 2007 we were an OT away from the Super Bowl how does Moss help us in 07?

Look at that great chemistry Moss and BF had up in MINN. Maybe that would ahve happened in GB also.

[rbaloha1]

& a little of "da kine", if ya don't mind.

Primo will do for the brews.

Sometimes old broken down football players do make an impact, but it's rare braddah.

So for this round I'll side with the lynch mob chasing you around with the noose.

Another aspect of this is time, we really don't have the time to evaluate SM at this point in the season.

I side with brother Guiness, he's gonna get signed after week 1.

Nobody is gonna pay his Bill's deal, he'll be lucky to get Ced's type of contract this year.

Braddah KY,

I hate for infom you but no mo primo brah. get plenty da kine tho. one braddah was talkin bout gentleman club in iowa -- braddah the whole isalnd is a gentleman's.

braddah ky -- brah make it to the land of paradise. take care you braddah.

[rbaloha1]

Let's look at those three years.

Moss
48 games, 250 rec, 3,765 yards, 47 TDs (23 in 2007 )

Jennings
45 games, 201 rec, 3,325 yards, 25 TDs
Driver
47 games, 226 rec, 3,121 yards, 13 TDs


Where do Moss's catches come from? Do you stunt Jennings or Nelson's development? In 2007 we were an OT away from the Super Bowl how does Moss help us in 07?

Look at that great chemistry Moss and BF had up in MINN. Maybe that would ahve happened in GB also.

Here we go with stats again. Moss's presence commands double teams and coverage rolled his way -- opening it up for other players.

Just like Jennings and Finley forcing double teams allowing Nelson to put up great numbers. Nelson is not a number one as evidenced in the KC game.

TT was out foxed by the Pats in acquiring Moss and not signing Gonzales.

BTW in the name of declining players --- Charles Woodson.

[ThunderDan]

Here we go with stats again. Moss's presence commands double teams and coverage rolled his way -- opening it up for other players.

Just like Jennings and Finley forcing double teams allowing Nelson to put up great numbers. Nelson is not a number one as evidenced in the KC game.

TT was out foxed by the Pats in acquiring Moss and not signing Gonzales.

BTW in the name of declining players --- Charles Woodson.

Stats seemed to me a better way to discuss actual performance other than someone saying, "I got a feeling this guy who hasn't played well for the last 4 years and has an injury history will be lights out in 2012. Let's sign him."

[mraynrand]

In Oakland, Randy Moss was a washed up has-been, too. Then he went to NE, and for the next 3 seasons, made Thompson look like Judge Parins.

You've pretty much achieved Troll Status with that one.

[rbaloha1]

Stats seemed to me a better way to discuss actual performance other than someone saying, "I got a feeling this guy who hasn't played well for the last 4 years and has an injury history will be lights out in 2012. Let's sign him."

Where did I ever say to sign SM? My position is for SM to pass a physical and a workout/tryout before any non guaranteed contract is offered. Unsure of the exact timing but its an absolute requirement. Should SM decline -- aloha.

[rbaloha1]

You've pretty much achieved Troll Status with that one.

No be scared braddah! Keep posting -- do not be scared of the longwinded posters.

[ThunderDan]

Where did I ever say to sign SM? My position is for SM to pass a physical and a workout/tryout before any non guaranteed contract is offered. Unsure of the exact timing but its an absolute requirement. Should SM decline -- aloha.

If they sign him before week 1 of the season his 2012 salary is guaranteed. No one will touch SM until after week 1 if at all.

[rbaloha1]

If they sign him before week 1 of the season his 2012 salary is guaranteed. No one will touch SM until after week 1 if at all.

Assuming this is true, probably no NFL team touches SM prior to game one.

SM may have to void his contract prior to game one if he is serious about playing in the 2012 season. Believe T Jackson was willing to void his contract to go to another team.

[Guiness]

Assuming this is true, probably no NFL team touches SM prior to game one.

SM may have to void his contract prior to game one if he is serious about playing in the 2012 season. Believe T Jackson was willing to void his contract to go to another team.

I'm pretty sure once he is released and clears waivers, he's an FA and can negotiate with anyone. Since he's got 4 years of service, I don't even think there's a waiver period, he's automatically an FA when released. The contract he had with the Bills is history.

The problem with signing him now is that if he's on the roster for the first week-end of the season, his contract is guaranteed for the year. If signed after that, it's a week-by-week basis, meaning if they kept him for 2 games, he'd get paid (and count against the cap) for 2/16 of the vet minimum.

Can anyone correct me on this? I think I've got it right.

[Lurker64]

The problem with signing him now is that if he's on the roster for the first week-end of the season, his contract is guaranteed for the year. If signed after that, it's a week-by-week basis, meaning if they kept him for 2 games, he'd get paid (and count against the cap) for 2/16 of the vet minimum.

Can anyone correct me on this? I think I've got it right.

This is correct, and this is why no team is banging down Merriman's door right now, and why neither he, nor his agent, are worried yet. Whether or not he can help a team, if he ends up getting hurt or sucks teams would rather pay him 5/16 or 7/16 or whatever of the vet minimum instead of 16/16ths of the vet minimum.

Being on the team for the last week of the preseason isn't really going to help much, anyway.

[Carolina_Packer]

Yea hes just what we need!

We need a washed up player? Who knew? Yeah, he's done. Can't stay healthy. It would totally surprise me if the Packers went after him, especially when they are trying to bring along Perry and have some other guys they have developed as well.

[rbaloha1]

#54 and Walden are good backups. Maybe Merriman is unnecessary.

However if SM is available for the NFL minimum at some point SM warrants serious consideration. SM may not consider the packers due to the current state of affairs.