McGinn- Packers DL Failing to Step Up

[Smidgeon]

How can anyone tell how good or bad this defense is gonna be after the starters have played snippets in 2 preseason games? Capers in notorious for having his defenders play vanilla in the preseason too. I think we need to see more evidence before making any declaration here. The defense will be better if only because they couldn't have played much worse last year besides getting turnovers.

Capers is also notorious for his defenses dropping off in effectiveness after his first year as DC. In GB, that happened to be their best year, but it's a trend. I hope the D gets back to good though and stays there.

[rbaloha1]

In fairness to this years rookies, Cullen Jenkins didn't play like Cullen Jenkins his first year either. In fact, he didn't play at all because he sat out the year after being waived by the Packers.

True like dat.

[wist43]

I like how the young guys have looked - even if the early results look shaky.

I absolutely do not trust Capers to pull it al together though. He's as likely to go to a 1-10 half dollar defense as he is to put 3-4 DL on the field at the same time.

[pbmax]

Capers is also notorious for his defenses dropping off in effectiveness after his first year as DC. In GB, that happened to be their best year, but it's a trend. I hope the D gets back to good though and stays there.

They had their best year in his second year as DC with Green Bay. Which had been his worst year in other towns. A change in scheme is going to result in weird first year results as no one has film on that team playing that defense.

[Smidgeon]

They had their best year in his second year as DC with Green Bay. Which had been his worst year in other towns. A change in scheme is going to result in weird first year results as no one has film on that team playing that defense.

So was year 3 DC's year 2 at other stops? Has he ever had a defense that's perpetually in the Top 10?

[Brandon494]

I'd wait until the first few regular games when we aren't running vanilla defensive schemes. I do believe the talent is a lot better then what he had last season and I see us being a top 15 defensive team if not top 10. My only concern really is how much of an impact Perry will have this season. I can't give up my source up but word is Coach Green is having a hard time motivating this kid and that Moses is having a better camp. He's not a bad kid at all just that hes very quiet, hopefully Green will find a way to light a fire under his ass.

[pbmax]

So was year 3 DC's year 2 at other stops? Has he ever had a defense that's perpetually in the Top 10?

Don't remember, but Dom has been in charge of some rebuilding projects so he was in Miami and Jacksonville when they blew up the structure and put up a new building. Tough to judge the long term success of a plan that changes after 2 years.

Harv did some yeoman's work on this theory either when he was hired or preseason of Year 2, but I don't see the thread.

I think his longest turn of success was Pitt followed by Carolina, but even Carolina got blown up due to the cap and FA.

[mmmdk]

How can anyone tell how good or bad this defense is gonna be after the starters have played snippets in 2 preseason games? Capers in notorious for having his defenders play vanilla in the preseason too. I think we need to see more evidence before making any declaration here. The defense will be better if only because they couldn't have played much worse last year besides getting turnovers.

...but it's still a lot of vanilla!

[rbaloha1]

Unsure which backups step-up.

Wynn and Wilson imo are scrubs. Daniels and Muir could fulfill backup roles. Hargrove and Merling are just guys. Worthy is the wildcard -- needs to lower pad level -- but man the dude is gifted.

[RashanGary]

Unsure which backups step-up.

Wynn and Wilson imo are scrubs. Daniels and Muir could fulfill backup roles. Hargrove and Merling are just guys. Worthy is the wildcard -- needs to lower pad level -- but man the dude is gifted.

I'm with ya here. I'm not a Wilson fan, not at all. I am a bit of a Neal fan though. I could see him coming back and being a decent rotational player for us. He's stout and has some bull rush in him.

[Pugger]

It is hard to tell how Hargrove is because he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of playing time.

[denverYooper]

Unsure which backups step-up.

Wynn and Wilson imo are scrubs. Daniels and Muir could fulfill backup roles. Hargrove and Merling are just guys. Worthy is the wildcard -- needs to lower pad level -- but man the dude is gifted.

Agree that he played high on occasion but I don't think it hurts him as much because everything about his game is so fast. Those guys on the Cincy OL were having a hard time getting a hold of him. I imagine it's fun to watch him and Bulaga go 1-1 to see who can outdraw the other because they both have some crazy handspeed. If he can develop a little hump move, that might be all he needs to toss some guys around.

I think the staff likes him too, because he was pulled after the first half with their main guys (I don't recall seeing him in the second half, anyway).

[smuggler]

The DL looked okay against the Bengals, who have a good OL. Clay/Raji split a sack.

[run pMc]

Talent on D -- not just DL -- is improved.
Pass rush will be better with Perry, Moses, Daniels, Worthy.
I expect a slow start to the season but a strong finish.

It's early...is he ringing alarm bells or just being a Debbie Downer?

[denverYooper]

Talent on D -- not just DL -- is improved.
Pass rush will be better with Perry, Moses, Daniels, Worthy.
I expect a slow start to the season but a strong finish.

It's early...is he ringing alarm bells or just being a Debbie Downer?

I'd say he's trying to get clicks.