Official Packers vs. Bengals Game Day Thread

[smuggler]

Aren't they supposed to wait until the receiver's feet come down? He did hit him while he was in the air and defenseless...

Crabtree got his feet down and turned. It was a bad call both by the refs and by the Bengals play-by-play guys. (They really are horrible, no offense to Anthony Munoz)

[pbmax]

Crabtree got his feet down and turned. It was a bad call both by the refs and by the Bengals play-by-play guys. (They really are horrible, no offense to Anthony Munoz)

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless. But he was hit with the shoulder and I thought, standard definition only, he was hit in the arm below the shoulder. I don't think that hit in that location should be flagged.

[rbaloha1]

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless. But he was hit with the shoulder and I thought, standard definition only, he was hit in the arm below the shoulder. I don't think that hit in that location should be flagged.

Ditto. Bad call. TC held onto the ball which was pretty amazing.

[Upnorth]

So I don't like how ARod had to scramble to score in the preseason. I realize it is a major weapon for him, but it scares the crap outta me everytime he takes off.
Also I have official jumped on the Benson bandwagon.
Liked how our d actuallprevented the bengals from moving the ball, now let's see them do that against a real nfl offense.

[pbmax]

I haven't watched the game yet, so I better not read this thread. I want to experience every chill and thrill of preseason football fresh.

Packers win. Harrell still unproven. BJ Coleman is like a 7 year old with a bazooka.

[pbmax]

So I don't like how ARod had to scramble to score in the preseason. I realize it is a major weapon for him, but it scares the crap outta me everytime he takes off.
Also I have official jumped on the Benson bandwagon.
Liked how our d actuallprevented the bengals from moving the ball, now let's see them do that against a real nfl offense.

Join me in praying for Derek Sherrod's recovery.

[rbaloha1]

Join me in praying for Derek Sherrod's recovery.

Okay. For some reason I have faith in Wells and Datko but not #72.

[Smidgeon]

I was happy with all of these things too. AR and GJ have a little chemistry to work in, but other than that, I think the offense is going to be a beast again.

Loved Benson. LOVED him. Just going off one half of football, he's the best running back we've had since A Green. He's the first RB we've had who knows when to set up a block and when to go forward. Just an all around natural runner.

I don't know if he's a game breaker, but he's that type of back who's going to get you the quick yards every time and that extra 4 or 5 when it's there.

Looks like the perfect back for our offense. I'd rather have Benson of 4 years ago, but if you're not goign to invest big bucks in a RB, I think we have the best we could get.

This, I absolutely agree with. In fact, after watching the game yesterday, I was wondering for a while why there's been such a big gap of RB talent between AG and Benson. I mean, Green was so good that he relegated an all time talent like Favre into a game manager and would have carried the team to the Super Bowl if Sherman had gone for it on fourth and one. And now there's Benson, who knows how to run. Apparently, I'm learning that knowing how to run is a much more difficult skill than I previously gave credit.

Other thoughts:

Bullish
McMillian. Again.
Benson. Impressive.

Bearish
The second half. Fell asleep right out of the gate. Literally. Didn't wake up until 2 minutes left in the game.

[QBME]

Packers win. Harrell still unproven. BJ Coleman is like a 7 year old with a bazooka.

LOL!

[mraynrand]

Will it be on first row again? I don't want to have to wait up until 12 when shitty ol nfl network is set to re air it

Hey, It's nice to see Tank again!

[mmmdk]

Let the kool-aid flow my Packer brethren! God I hate watching football on a shitty feed from a fucking Euro website.

First of all; there's no god! And second of all; you're [probably] a son of the Euro trash that crossed the grand herring pond.

[smuggler]

Feet down and turned have nothing to do with it. For the purposes of the rule, he was defenseless.

“It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are: [. . .]
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
[. . .]
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.”

The rule allows refs a little wiggle room, but since he got his feet down and had turned upfield, he wasn't defenseless IMO.

[MJZiggy]

Thanks for posting the rule. I would really have to see it again. I thought he wasn't down yet, but even if he were, he wasn't hit in the head or neck area. I don't think a more experienced crew would have made that call...

[pbmax]

The rule allows refs a little wiggle room, but since he got his feet down and had turned upfield, he wasn't defenseless IMO.

Was he capable of warding off the hit, or avoiding it? I don't think so. I don't think there is anyway Crabtree could have avoided that hit and he was not clearly a runner. I think by that definition, and by how they have called it in the past, he was defenseless.

But the reason it wasn't a flag is that the DB KNEW it was going to be close and hit him with his shoulder on his shoulder. That is permissible; the defender needs to avoid the head and neck. At least Crabtree, Marvin Lewis and I agree on that.

[RashanGary]

Was he capable of warding off the hit, or avoiding it? I don't think so. I don't think there is anyway Crabtree could have avoided that hit and he was not clearly a runner. I think by that definition, and by how they have called it in the past, he was defenseless.

But the reason it wasn't a flag is that the DB KNEW it was going to be close and hit him with his shoulder on his shoulder. That is permissible; the defender needs to avoid the head and neck. At least Crabtree, Marvin Lewis and I agree on that.

It's not the head or neck. It's head or neck area. Shoulder, sternum, upper back. . . . . All of those could be considered in the neck area, depending on who's throwing the flag and what angle they had.

There is some grey area on that rule. In this case, I'll be a hypocrite. I didn't like seeing it done to our guy, but I would have cheered if we would have lit up Calvin Johnson on the same hit.