First cutdown time

[Patler]

Mark Tauscher stated on the pre game show for game 2 that coaches stress reliability since they want to be able to sleep at night.

Shields and Starks are unreliable and would cause me sleepless nights if on the active roster.

So, you are a coach?

Being just a fan, I couldn't care less if either one is or isn't on the team. Won't bother me one way or the other. My opinion is that Shields should be given one more chance, Starks not.

[Patler]

By the way, I really like Tauscher on the pregame show. I haven't bothered yet to listen to a post game show, which I understand he is on also.

Larry McCarren's eventual replacement on broadcasts, maybe????

[rbaloha1]

By the way, I really like Tauscher on the pregame show. I haven't bothered yet to listen to a post game show, which I understand he is on also.

Larry McCarren's eventual replacement on broadcasts, maybe????

Yes, LM is boring -- typical midwesterner.

[rbaloha1]

So, you are a coach?

Being just a fan, I couldn't care less if either one is or isn't on the team. Won't bother me one way or the other. My opinion is that Shields should be given one more chance, Starks not.

Coach in my own mind.

[Smidgeon]

shields looked like he was going to be starter for several years...now look at him.

Well, I basically just watched the second quarter due to arriving from home late and falling asleep at half time, but the one time I saw Shields on the field, he made a sure tackle, wrapped up, and stayed on his man until he fell over. I was impressed by the effort.

Of course, I wasn't really watching him specifically the rest of the game, so I don't know how it turned out, but that one definitely wasn't a Sam Shield's Special (i.e. a "whiff").

[pbmax]

I think you will find that opinion predating Reischel on this and/or other Packer fan sites.

Some have noted through out camp that the Packers tend to give players a grace period for injuries, but by about the third year they state that availability is part of their evaluation. Zombo is in the same boat as Starks. Starks faces an added problem because of the position he plays. The RBs that are kept tend to be needed. It is not a position that teams tend to waste a roster spot, like they will for OL, DB, or even LB.

Then, too, turf-toe injuries tend to be lingering types of injuries that players often struggle with and re-injure until the off-season and lengthy rest.

I think if Benson had not been signed or if he had proven himself unfit for the job, Starks would have had to rob a bank not to make the team. Alex Green as the feature back with ball security issues and Kuhn/Saine/Tyler backing up is thin. That said, its not much thinner than Harrell at QB. So it would come down to the coaches belief in each player.

[Lurker64]

Whether or not Shields gets cut, he's not getting cut in the first cutdown. If you're trying to think "who are the first players on the 90 man roster I want to get rid of" you don't start listing 24 year old former starters unless they have serious injuries or legal/discipline problems.

The first 15 cuts are people like Shaky Smithson, who has no future in the NFL, Frank Zombo, because he hasn't been available for a game since XLV, or DeMarco Cosby since he's hurt and not one of the top 5 TEs on the roster.

Guys like Starks and Shields could, conceivably, be cut, but they would be one of the last 22 cuts, not one of the first 15. Since, if a guy like Shields plays in the fourth preseason game and records 3 interceptions, returning two of them for touchdowns... whether or not you want him on your team, he has made himself a tradeable asset.

[imscott72]

House sticks unless he gets IR'd..Dude has way too much talent to get cut. Shields is like Bush with speed. Solid on ST's but horrible in coverage. I don't think he gets cut..I think Starks is toast, and possibly Harrell if they can find a vet..

[imscott72]

I know its tough to swallow but Bush is playing well. Probably the best secondary tackler. Aggressive and confident.

He tackles well, blitzes, and plays the run, but man, he can't cover worth a shit..he was burned last night again and should of been called for PI..he's a big liability in coverage and opposing teams know it..

[Guiness]

So, you are a coach?

Being just a fan, I couldn't care less if either one is or isn't on the team. Won't bother me one way or the other. My opinion is that Shields should be given one more chance, Starks not.

Maybe he could make himself one? rbaloha, are you a shareholder, making you a part-owner? If so, why not appoint yourself a coach? Worked for Al Davis and Jerry Jones!

[MadScientist]

He tackles well, blitzes, and plays the run, but man, he can't cover worth a shit..he was burned last night again and should of been called for PI..he's a big liability in coverage and opposing teams know it..

I didn't watch everything in great detail, but I do clearly remember one play early on where a Bengal receiver was wide open in the middle of the field. On the replay you could see Bush backing up with the receiver, then when the receiver made his cut inside, Bush took 2-3 steps back before change directions. By then he was nowhere near the receiver.

[RashanGary]

I would not cut Starks right out of the gate. What if an injury happens at RB. I'd wait till 2nd round.

Shields I wouldn't cut at all.



After that, there is just a cluster F of marginal talent. To me, Borel looks to lack burst and the ability to separate. He might be smart, but he seems to have very little talent. Gurley seems like another guy who's not all that athletic. He doesn't seem to win those contested balls like he should. I don't like either of them.

A guy I'm interested in, and the WR I like most is Boykin. He was a beast at V-tech. Ran a slow 40 at the combine, but was recovering from a pulled hammy. Came back at his pro day and put up good speed numbers. Extremely explosive player. Hard worker, great hands. . . .

I'd like to see him on the team. He's looked really good.

[Joemailman]

I'll take a shot at the first 15 cuts:

G/C Tommie Draheim
G Don Barclay
G Ray Dominguez
CB Dion Turner
DL Johnny Jones
DE Jarius Wynn
FB Jon Hoese
OLB Frank Zombo
S Micah Pellerin
TE Brandon Bostick
TE Demarco Cosby
WR Andrew Brewer
WR Curenski Gilleylan
WR Shaky Smithson
OT Shea Allard

[denverYooper]

hargrove is the first casualty.

[Lurker64]

hargrove is the first casualty.

14 to go!

I think veterans who aren't going to make the final 53 with no practice squad eligibility are the easiest cuts here. In a sense it's surprising that Hargrove wasn't cut right away, but I think they were going to give him the chance to wow in TC, and if he didn't, he was gone.