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[mraynrand]

Wow. Were our other backs that bad that a grumpin' fumblin' rb is viewed like he's Walter Peyton/Jesus/Abe Lincoln? Is he that good or were Grant and Starks that bad? Or are we all just weird?

All of the above. It's a funny thing when you see a RB with natural talent after watching a long string of serviceable backs. I think it's the contrast that makes Ced look much better than he probably is. But the guy has talent, it's obvious. The other guys weren't Travis Jervy bad, just more like Raymont Harris bleah.

[Joemailman]

Actually I just thought of something, Benson had to face the Steelers and Ravens defense 4 out of 16 games each season. I'm sure that had something to do with his yards per carry as well.

Yer right, Brandon.

Those 4 games will shrink any power back's stats.

The thing I'm looking forward to is Ced starting 2 games against the Bears.

He hates Chicago with all the proper fire.

He ran for 189 against 'em in '09

Affected the stats a little bit. Ran 56 times for 201 yards against Pit/Bal for a 3.6 avg. Ran 216 times for 866 yards against everyone else for a 4.0 average. Didn't run the ball quite as much against those guys. Averaged 14 carries against Pit/Bal abd 18 against everyone else.

[pbmax]

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It's a funny thing when you see a RB with natural talent after watching a long string of serviceable backs.

Preach it Brother Rand. That should be on a stone tablet.

Or a fortune cookie.

[Pugger]

Probably me.

Is this a picture of you?

[mraynrand]

Preach it Brother Rand. That should be on a stone tablet.

Or a fortune cookie.

Beware of Japanese Waitress bearing fortune cookies....

"You have devastated my Sukiyaki in there!"

[rbaloha1]

Of course the Gonzales deal went south because of KC's GM not TT...

I never wanted Moss. SF can have him as he takes plays off.

Why is the KC gm to blame and not TT.

Moss would have been with Favre. Both are good friends. BF wanted another super bowl -- never would have allowed Moss to take off plays. Favre was unafraid to get in receiver's faces (ie Sharpe, Schroder, Walker,etc.)

This stuff has no bearing on the current but maybe TT learned from these two minute fiascos.

[Iron Mike]

Is this a picture of you?

No, that's a result of a Google image search for "Drunken Packer Fan."

[pbmax]

Why is the KC gm to blame and not TT.

Moss would have been with Favre. Both are good friends. BF wanted another super bowl -- never would have allowed Moss to take off plays. Favre was unafraid to get in receiver's faces (ie Sharpe, Schroder, Walker,etc.)

This stuff has no bearing on the current but maybe TT learned from these two minute fiascos.

I love when a poster makes the counter argument in their own post. Favre had words with Walker and Sharpe over contracts and neither changed their ways (Walker reported after hiring Rosenhaus). Not sure what you recall about Schroeder, but he never seemed to change much, even with Holmgren grabbing his face mask. And Ferguson never caught on either, despite being called out by the QB.

Hard to promote discipline from Hattiesburg during OTAs and partial vacation from minicamp. Nothing screams organization control and discipline than the QB calling the FA shots. McCarthy might have made it work, but you never know. Woodson bought into it, though he gets a lot of considerations.

[Pugger]

No, that's a result of a Google image search for "Drunken Packer Fan."

Good.

[mission]

Wow. Were our other backs that bad that a grumpin' fumblin' rb is viewed like he's Walter Peyton/Jesus/Abe Lincoln? Is he that good or were Grant and Starks that bad? Or are we all just weird?

Well, I think we're all just weird for starters. Also feel Grant and Starks are decent backs, but this offense always makes them the secondary focus for defenses. The fumble numbers are also a little skewed... someone posted on twitter the fumble per carries numbers of Benson vs Grant and they really weren't much different. Benson has been a workhouse for the last three years. Grant not so much from a volume of carries perspective.

I think a fresh Benson -- IN THIS OFFENSE -- will look like a total stud without the big play potential. I'd say most like Abe Lincoln. Will force honesty. (eh eh?)

[Smidgeon]

Why is the KC gm to blame and not TT.

KC's GM and TT agreed on a 3rd rounder for Gonzalez. At the last minute, KC's GM upped the asking price to a second. Having already agreed on a third, TT wasn't budging. Thus, the KC GM bungled that one by being greedy.

[rbaloha1]

KC's GM and TT agreed on a 3rd rounder for Gonzalez. At the last minute, KC's GM upped the asking price to a second. Having already agreed on a third, TT wasn't budging. Thus, the KC GM bungled that one by being greedy.

Greedy in your opinion. Unsure if an added second round pick would have been wise. This was prior to Finley.

[Smidgeon]

Greedy in your opinion. Unsure if an added second round pick would have been wise. This was prior to Finley.

I meant greedy in terms of changing the requirements for a trade at the last minute after a deal had already been agreed upon.

[pbmax]

I meant greedy in terms of changing the requirements for a trade at the last minute after a deal had already been agreed upon.

There was also a public relations aspect to that. No one wants to be labeled as rebuilding and fans and media would pounce on less than equal value in a trade. They eventually got a second round pick but Pioli secured it, not Peterson.

[Joemailman]

Greedy in your opinion. Unsure if an added second round pick would have been wise. This was prior to Finley.

Prior to Finley's emergence as a top TE, but Finley was heading into his 2nd year at the time.