House in a harness

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/shoulder-injury-to-limit-house-all-season-jj6khf4-167508505.html

Tramon Williams sucked when he had to protect a bad shoulder. I wish they would IR House.

[Lurker64]

Tramon's the kind of DB who really needs to get his hands on you to excel, so playing with the harness really hurt his game.

House, on the other hand, can run with darn near anybody in the game (he just needs to avoid losing steps in transition). The harness will hold him back some, but not as much as it held back Tramon, once House gets used to it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

House is no stud, and tackling WAS one of his strengths. I'd rather throw the rookie out there.

I don't know these players very well, just shooting from the recliner

[Lurker64]

House is no stud, and tackling WAS one of his strengths. I'd rather throw the rookie out there.

I don't know these players very well, just shooting from the recliner

Tramon needs to get his hands on you to keep you from getting past him. House just needs to not lose steps in transition to keep you from getting past him.

One of these stat lines is Davon House, the other is Morris Claiborne, picked #6 overall by the Dallas Cowboys.
5111, 188, 4.43/2.58/1.56 (40/20/10), 34.5" vert, 118" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 7.01 cone
6004, 200, 4.37/2.55/1.56 (40/20/10), 33.5" vert, 109" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 6.65 cone

It's not like House is slow, the reason he fell was because he was inconsistent in college, low-level of competition, and the "losing steps in transition" thing is hard to fix (Al Harris never fixed it.)

It shouldn't be a Tramonesque dropoff. Even with the harness, he could be better outside than Bush, Hayward, or Shields.

[RashanGary]

Both Tramon and Woodson healed over the course of an off season. House has had three weeks now. We have Hayward, Tramon, Shields and Bush to play. If they can give him 2 or three more weeks off, it will be nothing like the Tramon/Woodson situations. Those two guys played the next week. House is younger (younger guys heal better.) House gets several weeks off before having to get tossed in the fire (5,6, 7 times the rest of the other two depending on how much longer he sits.)

I don't think keeping House on the roster is such a bad thing, especially if they give him a week or two into the season before they bring him back.

[pbmax]

I dunno Lurk. House himself said Tramon was in a better spot to adjust to the harness and limited shoulder strength and flexibility and Twill struggled mightily with it last year. Woodson has also worn one. Now House is young, so he might be in a better position to cope than he thinks (as you make the case) and he might be over-estimating the skills Williams has that he does not. But he thinks is going to be tough to change his game up.

So his first hurdle might be his own head.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/167488405.html

[pbmax]

Tramon needs to get his hands on you to keep you from getting past him. House just needs to not lose steps in transition to keep you from getting past him.

One of these stat lines is Davon House, the other is Morris Claiborne, picked #6 overall by the Dallas Cowboys.
5111, 188, 4.43/2.58/1.56 (40/20/10), 34.5" vert, 118" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 7.01 cone
6004, 200, 4.37/2.55/1.56 (40/20/10), 33.5" vert, 109" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 6.65 cone

It's not like House is slow, the reason he fell was because he was inconsistent in college, low-level of competition, and the "losing steps in transition" thing is hard to fix (Al Harris never fixed it.)

It shouldn't be a Tramonesque dropoff. Even with the harness, he could be better outside than Bush, Hayward, or Shields.

Oh and which is which? I think House is 5' 11", right?

And was the losing steps in transition knock due to the cone drill, tape or both?

[RashanGary]

And was the losing steps in transition knock due to the cone drill, tape or both?

House is the guy who's taller and ran the blazing fast 3-cone. He's extremely athletic.


This is not as bad as the Woodson/Williams situations. House gets time to heal. It's very, very different. I think they should keep him down a week or two more. Let that shoulder really heal.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is not as bad as the Woodson/Williams situations. House gets time to heal. It's very, very different. I think they should keep him down a week or two more. Let that shoulder really heal.

It's not a two week or two month deal. He is expected to need that harness for the whole season. The doctors are afraid the shoulder is vulnerable to another seperation, or subluxation - you could look it up. It will heal, but over long period.

I don't trust any stats or measurements that suggests a player will be OK at cornerback with a friggin harness limiting range of motion. That's an acrobatic position.

On the other hand, I really don't know. Lurker may be onto something, other than the usual meth pipe.

[Tony Oday]

House doesn't have nerve damage...different injury than Tramon.

[pbmax]

House doesn't have nerve damage...different injury than Tramon.

Are you certain of that? Was that question asked or has it simply not been mentioned?

Did Tramon even play in a harness or was it just damage and no separation for him?

[Patler]

NFL players have been using harnesses like this for 50 years. Some players adapt well to it. Some don't. We have no idea yet whether this will bother House a great deal, or just a little. If he sucks while wearing it, he simply won't play much. Sort of like those who have broken hands, and have a "club" during games. Some players seem bothered a lot with it, for others you hardly notice it affecting them at all.

[rbaloha1]

Tramon needs to get his hands on you to keep you from getting past him. House just needs to not lose steps in transition to keep you from getting past him.

One of these stat lines is Davon House, the other is Morris Claiborne, picked #6 overall by the Dallas Cowboys.
5111, 188, 4.43/2.58/1.56 (40/20/10), 34.5" vert, 118" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 7.01 cone
6004, 200, 4.37/2.55/1.56 (40/20/10), 33.5" vert, 109" broad, 4.12 shuttle, 6.65 cone

It's not like House is slow, the reason he fell was because he was inconsistent in college, low-level of competition, and the "losing steps in transition" thing is hard to fix (Al Harris never fixed it.)

It shouldn't be a Tramonesque dropoff. Even with the harness, he could be better outside than Bush, Hayward, or Shields.

Again -- meaningless numbers.

Its impossible to determine how much the injury affects House until actual game action.

It is time for someone to step-up -- appears to be Bush. IMO we should be alright.

[mmmdk]

NFL players have been using harnesses like this for 50 years. Some players adapt well to it. Some don't. We have no idea yet whether this will bother House a great deal, or just a little. If he sucks while wearing it, he simply won't play much. Sort of like those who have broken hands, and have a "club" during games. Some players seem bothered a lot with it, for others you hardly notice it affecting them at all.

Who knows? Snoopy knows!

Btw, if I had a pair of clubs I think I could make it in the NFL.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

If you listen to his interview on packers.com he doesn’t sound too confident about it. He says there are many movements he can’t make with his arm and that he probably will have to change the way he plays receivers on the line. Definitely sounds like he will have to change his style of play. I seriously doubt he will able to play at his best, although we don’t really even know what his best is yet.