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  • Packers -v- 49ers game week conversation

    On defense, the 49ers are incredibly talented, particularly in their base defense. The right side of their 34 defense consists of DE Justin Smith (7.5 sacks) OLB Aldon Smith (14 sacks) ILB Patrick Willis (considered the best ILB in the game at the moment) FS Dashon Goldson (I don't know if anyone has watched him play, but he's a great safety) and CB Terrell Brown (6 year vet, coming off a 4 interception season with 15 pass breakups. It was a breakout season for him)

    The rest of their base defense isn't quite as talented as that right side, but still very, very talented and in the primes of their careers.

    If we line up and go toe to toe with their base defense, we are going to be in real trouble.

    If they have a weakness, it's their nickle and dime back. I visited some 49ers forums and they're interested to see how their nickle and dime backs hold up. If nothing else, they're unproven.

    Marshall Newhouse is going to be working on the side both SFs top pass rushers line up. If we spread it out, 4-wide and Benson or Green miss a pass protection assignment, Aaron Rodgers is going to be laying on his back, getting speared in the back, getting crushed into the ground, right shoulder first, or any number of sickening, bone crushing hits you can imagine. I think this is a game we should utilize Kuhn as the lone back and Rodgers personal protector while we attack what looks like the only weakness on that elite defense.



    As for our defense, Gore, Vernon Davis and Crabtree are their top playmakers. They drafted WR AJ Jenkins in the first round and acquired Randy Moss/Mario Manningham. They are not short on talent, not in the least bit. They have one of the best OL's in football. Down the line

    Probowl LT - Joe Staley
    Beastly bruiser LG, 3rd year player - Mike Iupati
    11 year vet, C - Jonathan Goodwin
    7 year vet, RG - Adam Snyder
    Highly talented 3rd year player at RT - Anthony Davis

    If they have a weakness, it's at quarter back. We want Alex Smith to beat us, and here's how we do it.

    1. We don't give up the big play. Quick points are exactly what we don't want.

    2. Stop the run. Much of the 49ers offense is predicated on the run. To do this, our LBs are going to have to bite, and when they do, Smith is going to get some chances over the middle off play action. Woodson, Burnett and our nickle/dime players are going to have to play well.

    3. Tackle. Since we're committing a lot of our focus on preventing the big play, and stopping the run, the 49ers WILL have several opportunities to complete passes. That's fine, but when they do we have to tackle. If we tackle, Smith will have to complete pass after pass after pass. If we do these three things, the offense will hinge on Alex Smith. He's not a bad player, but we're up against a talented team and it's our best shot at both turnovers and forcing punts.



    And then there are the givens.

    Win the turnover battle. Our defense is built to stop the pass. Matthews is a beast. Perry collapses the pocket. Worthy and Daniels were brought in for one reason, and Raji, if given a free rush, can break down a pocket with the best of them. We get turnovers, and this year I think we have a pass rush to make things more consistent. That's assuming we don't turn the ball over, get behind and have to play a more honest defense. We're built to win shootouts, at least until the young defense gets it's game legs.

    Win the ST's field position battle. Obvious reasons. We're going up against a pretty equal opponent. The little things make a big difference.

    Be smart with penalties. We can't give up first downs to their offense, and we can't force punts on ours. Again, just the little things.




    This is a brutal first game. BRUTAL. I'd flip a coin on this one.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    As a funny side note, it would be fun to send out our relentless retard to maul Moss and Crabtree at the line. Bush, if nothing else, can frustrate the shit out of a WR trying to get off the line. Both Moss and Crabtree are the type you can get in their heads. It would be funny to watch them battle to get off the line against Bush. And then outside runs, it would be equally hilarious to watch those two try to block Bush. The best blockers in the game can't get their paws on him, and pound for pound he's one of the toughest players on our team. IMO, he's also the best tackler on our team, especially in the open field. ON top of that, it's not like Smith isn't the type of QB who's going to capitalize on every little mistake. Even his coverage liability is minimized a little here. He actually brings a little something to this game. If there is a such thing as a team Jarrett Bush matches up well against, this is it. I'd definitely have a little smile on my face to go with the worry if Bush is our opening day starter. If nothing else, he'd entertain the shit out of both us, and them at varying times.
    Last edited by RashanGary; 09-03-2012, 04:16 PM.
    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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    • #3
      Nice writeup, but I strongly disagree with 1 point:
      I think this is a game we should utilize Kuhn as the lone back and Rodgers personal protector while we attack what looks like the only weakness on that elite defense.
      If you have Kuhn as the lone back, the 49ers don't have to respect the Packers running game. The Smiths and Willis are tough enough to block in pass pro even if they have to respect the run. They're nearly impossible to stop if they can just pin their ears back. Bwenson has to be a factor in this game or Rodgers will be under constant pressure.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #4
        And I couldn't disagree more strongly. Kuhn can run the ball a little and putting Rodgers well being in Newhouse and Benson or Green's hands might be the absolute most retarded thing we could do, not only for this game but for the rest of the season, and maybe Rodgers entire career. No fucking way I spread it out with one of them as the last line of defense in the backfield. Not against this team.

        Use Kuhn, hard counts, moving pockets and inside runs by Kuhn to slow them down. Kuhn is actually a weapon is our pass game. There's a reason he's our 3rd down back, and it's not because he makes our passing offense worse. Like I said. You're not going to run against this team. They're beasts up front. You have to attack the weakness. Might as well treat every play like it's 3rd down and go against their dime defense all day.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #5
          Benson was said to be a good blocker. Use him instead of Kuhn. Also why not use Kuhn as a lead blocker a few times. They will not expect that, and after that look at how the play action opens up. Finally the two te formation using both finley and williams to block or go out 5 wide. I believe it was you JH talking this formation up and boy could I do damage.

          As to our defense I am just gonna close my eyes and listen, I don't think it will be pretty.
          All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

          George Orwell

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          • #6
            that sf run d will be softened up by our passing game. running out of pass formations and play-action will be successful and we'll kill 'em.

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            • #7
              Very nice write up, JH... you've been posting a lot of good stuff, but I have to kind of agree with Joe here. I say spread it out, 4-5 WRs + Finley and get the ball out quick, quick, quick! Get those extra backers off the field and replace with suspect 5th and 6th DBs. Automatically weaken their lineup. Now, you're on track with this, but the Benson on draws and slip screens should keep them honest enough for 12 to find his man. Kuhn is a 2 yard and a cloud of dust guy. He might bust a 6 yarder here and there but nothing to make the Niners respect the ground game.
              I AM really worried about this game. Can't remember if I'm more nervous about this one or NO to kick off last season. Part of me expects a slow start to this season as the rookies mature, guys find their roles and the team really gels going into the playoffs like 2010.

              I say flip a coin as well... just slightly weighted towards Tails as Aaron Rodgers is the ultimate tiebreaker.

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              • #8
                You might forget Justin that Benson is one of the best blocking RB in the league. Also the reason Kuhn was our 3rd down back last season was because he was the only back who could pass protect worth a damn, not because hes a weapon in our pass game.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                  You might forget Justin that Benson is one of the best blocking RB in the league. Also the reason Kuhn was our 3rd down back last season was because he was the only back who could pass protect worth a damn, not because hes a weapon in our pass game.
                  How many times do you remember Rodgers getting on Starks for going left when he should have gone right (or vice versa)? Especially at the end of the year... we just can't be having guys out there who don't know what they're doing. Talent is one thing, being a dumbass is another.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mission View Post
                    Very nice write up, JH... you've been posting a lot of good stuff, but I have to kind of agree with Joe here. I say spread it out, 4-5 WRs + Finley and get the ball out quick, quick, quick! Get those extra backers off the field and replace with suspect 5th and 6th DBs. Automatically weaken their lineup. Now, you're on track with this, but the Benson on draws and slip screens should keep them honest enough for 12 to find his man. Kuhn is a 2 yard and a cloud of dust guy. He might bust a 6 yarder here and there but nothing to make the Niners respect the ground game.
                    I AM really worried about this game. Can't remember if I'm more nervous about this one or NO to kick off last season. Part of me expects a slow start to this season as the rookies mature, guys find their roles and the team really gels going into the playoffs like 2010.

                    I say flip a coin as well... just slightly weighted towards Tails as Aaron Rodgers is the ultimate tiebreaker.

                    I'll do a paypal bet to anyone who wants to take it, any amount you're interested in that we will average less than 3.8 yards per carry (take AR's runs out.)

                    They don't need to commit anything to the run. They're front 3 are dynamite run stoppers and the 4 linebackers are beasts too. They don't have to bite because they can get to the ball so fast even if they play the pass first. The threat of the run is nothing more than a joke in this game. A bad joke, on us. The worst part of that pathetic joke might be on Aaron Rodgers.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #11
                      BTW I'm not concerned a bit, we only struggle against elite QBs, not the Alex Smiths of the NFL. Yes the 49ers have one of the best defenses in the league but lets not forget which team has the best offense. My prediction is GB 27 SF 20 final score.

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                      • #12
                        If I had to bet, I'd bet on a win, but going toe to toe, trying to be balanced against this team is just a nightmare. We have to attack their only weakness, and we have to commit to it. When the Packers commit to the pass, there's one guy they use in the backfield. That guy, John Kuhn. And there is good reason for it.

                        I'll bet we see a whole lot of John Kuhn in the backfield, alone, in this game.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                          I'll do a paypal bet to anyone who wants to take it, any amount you're interested in that we will average less than 3.8 yards per carry (take AR's runs out.)

                          They don't need to commit anything to the run. They're front 3 are dynamite run stoppers and the 4 linebackers are beasts too. They don't have to bite because they can get to the ball so fast even if they play the pass first. The threat of the run is nothing more than a joke in this game. A bad joke, on us.
                          Haha wow you sure are a gambler.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                            Haha wow you sure are a gambler.
                            Yeah, I don't really see an edge to exploit on that line, but even if Benson averaged 3.8 ypc against the 49ers, Kuhn would average 2.8 ypc. That extra yard can be the difference between honesty and playing the pass 100%.

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                            • #15
                              FWIW -- I did take the Packers -5 this week. I rarely bet on my own team (and never against them), but we're either going to win by more than 7 or lose the game in one of those freak style multiple TO games that I really don't expect.

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