Trade Jennings?

[mraynrand]

You have guys like Plaxico Burress, T.O., and Chad Johnson you could probably sign cheap.

it made my brain hurt, just to read that

[pbmax]

The top of the market is Johnson at $18 mil/year and Fitz at $16 mil/year. If Jennings thinks he can approach that number, then leverage does not matter. It only takes one team to agree and no number of TO, Chad Johnson or Plax will change that.

Even if he were simply to get Vincent Jackson money, that's over $4 million more on the cap book.

To do a trade under either circumstance will require the Packers granting permission to talk to the team to secure a new deal, because no team will want to rent him. He's not a left handed pitcher.

The trade after tagging always sounds like a good deal, but its tougher to do than people think. You have to have a trading partner you trust that won't bail or balk after the tag is applied. And once the team does that, all the risk accrues to the tagging team. Jennings will be more sought after than Flynn assuming he is healthy. But its risky.

WR tag was $9+ million this year. With the revised formula, I think the biggest contracts are either delayed or compared to a larger group of contracts. So its possible, though not certain, that number will be going up. But its not quite the risk of Flynn's tag number.

[red]

tag and trade next year

they didn't tag flynn because he was still somewhat of an unknown starter at the time, and there was thinking that people might not trade for that and we get stuck with a backup qb making a shitload of money.

jennings is a legit top 5 wr, still young, and a class act (which is rare for wr's). there should be no problem getting a 1st round pick for him, if not more. plus, if the tag # for wr's is around $9 million, well thats just about what he's worth anyways, so teams shouldn't have a problem taking on his salary (even though it will be adjusted after signing a new contract)

i would think jennings might be one of, if not the top guy on the market next year. you have to get something for that.

tag and trade. unless we can keep him with a decent deal for us.

[Patler]

The trade after tagging always sounds like a good deal, but its tougher to do than people think. You have to have a trading partner you trust that won't bail or balk after the tag is applied. And once the team does that, all the risk accrues to the tagging team. Jennings will be more sought after than Flynn assuming he is healthy. But its risky.

WR tag was $9+ million this year. With the revised formula, I think the biggest contracts are either delayed or compared to a larger group of contracts. So its possible, though not certain, that number will be going up. But its not quite the risk of Flynn's tag number.

At least if they get stuck with Jennings after tagging him, they have a useful player. If they had tagged Flynn and been stuck keeping him, it would have been a lot more money for a player sitting on the bench.

[mraynrand]

Jennings is so 2010

[pbmax]

Roy Williams, 26, first-, third- and sixth-round picks (Jerry Jones)
Deion Branch, 27 first-round (Mike Holmgren)
Randy Moss, 27, first (Al Davis)
Peerless Price, 26, first (Arthur Blank)
Joey Galloway, 28, two firsts (Jerry Jones)
Keyshawn Johnson, 27, two firsts (Rich McKay)

Brandon Marshall (two thirds) in 2012
Anquan Boldin (third and fourth) in '10
Brandon Marshall (two seconds) in '10,
Chris Chambers (second) in '07,
Javon Walker (second) in '06
Justin McCareins (second), '06
Terrell Owens (second) '04
Keenan McCardell (third, sixth) in '04

All info from McGinn's article with blame assigned by Google.

Unless Holmgren, Jones, McKay or Blank are WR shopping in 2012/13, he is not going to yield a first round pick. The trend seems to be for less, though the names up top are bigger and brighter. Which is why Jerry "Moth" Jones has his name up there twice.

[pbmax]

McGinn also makes a good point about Jennings in the slot. He might not be comfortable there yet. And Rodgers will have to get used to Jennings being the security blanket in the slot rather than Driver. While Driver and Jennings are almost mirror images of each other in build, their games and routes are different.

[Smidgeon]

McGinn also makes a good point about Jennings in the slot. He might not be comfortable there yet. And Rodgers will have to get used to Jennings being the security blanket in the slot rather than Driver. While Driver and Jennings are almost mirror images of each other in build, their games and routes are different.

Jordy and Jones have demonstrated competence playing outside, Cobb is destined for the inside, and who knows the talent level of TT's second round WR in April 2013? It would be surprising to see two of those five gone next year, but it could happen. And if it does happen, the top three WR spots (two outside, one slot) are taken with a receiving TE taking the fourth.

[ThunderDan]

Roy Williams, 26, first-, third- and sixth-round picks (Jerry Jones)
Deion Branch, 27 first-round (Mike Holmgren)
Randy Moss, 27, first (Al Davis)
Peerless Price, 26, first (Arthur Blank)
Joey Galloway, 28, two firsts (Jerry Jones)
Keyshawn Johnson, 27, two firsts (Rich McKay)

Brandon Marshall (two thirds) in 2012
Anquan Boldin (third and fourth) in '10
Brandon Marshall (two seconds) in '10,
Chris Chambers (second) in '07,
Javon Walker (second) in '06
Justin McCareins (second), '06
Terrell Owens (second) '04
Keenan McCardell (third, sixth) in '04

All info from McGinn's article with blame assigned by Google.

Unless Holmgren, Jones, McKay or Blank are WR shopping in 2012/13, he is not going to yield a first round pick. The trend seems to be for less, though the names up top are bigger and brighter. Which is why Jerry "Moth" Jones has his name up there twice.

No wonder Dallas has been average at best for the last bit.

Roy Williams 1,3,6
Joey Galloway 1,1

That is a lot of future potential traded away for crap.

[Guiness]

No wonder Dallas has been average at best for the last bit.

Roy Williams 1,3,6
Joey Galloway 1,1

That is a lot of future potential traded away for crap.

Seattle took Shaun Alexander with one of those picks, he turned out pretty good. For some reason Dallas traded him, although he was playing well, straight up for Keyshawn Johnson!

[rbaloha1]

No way Jose.

GJ needs to play outside the hash marks. Other receivers like Cobb and Finely are better suited for the slot.

Franchise when required.

[3irty1]

GJ shouldn't cost that much because GJ already makes a lot. If he thinks he's going to sniff 16M he's high. As good as he is he can't change his mold and he's already one of the highest paid in that mold. Jennings is a fantastic weapon but he's not a 100-catch-per-year-just-lob-it-up-to-me type receiver. He has more value to the Packers than most anyone else I say lets instead ride him to the superbowl. Afterwards there are options, he can be tagged and traded when we see who's desperate for an upgrade. If all he'll bring is a 2nd I'd let him walk and take the comp pick. There is a chance he finds his way back home ala James Jones when he realizes that his position is the only thing he has in common with Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, or Andre Johnson.

[smuggler]

Jennings played primarily in the slot last year.

[run pMc]

I say keep GJ. Let him play out the season, but keep talking with his agent. You never know, maybe they work something out. I'd definitely consider tagging him to keep him another year, but right now he's going through an injury stretch and TT will have to see if it's a trend or not. When healthy, he's a legit #1 WR, is a playmaker and will draw the double team. IMO the offense works better when he's on the field.
I like James Jones, but I'd rather have GJ, Jordy and Cobb as my starting wideouts than Jordy, JJ and Cobb...particularly since Finley is on a short contract and is dealing with the dropsies.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if TT drafts a WR on Day 2 in April 2013. With Rodgers, CM3, and Raji also coming due to re-up, it's going to be tough to stay under the cap and sign everyone.

I think TT would bring Taco Wallace and Antonio Chatman back before signing TO. (watch him prove me wrong.)

[rbaloha1]

Mark Tauscher said receivers are dime a dozen. Also stated trade value is very low (cited Shaun Alexander example).

Disagree. GJ is special and vital to the Packer offense.