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  • #31
    Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
    Military have no civilian authority. Posse comitatus and all that jazz.
    That must be why all those people in flooding areas always refuse to leave because the National Guard don't have the authority to drag them kicking and screaming.
    -yes, I know the Marines and the National Guard are two different things and perform entirely different roles
    -yes, I know joking about personal rights vs. poor decision making and later risking the lives of first responders in times of emergencies is a serious matter, should not be joked about and probably should be given a long going over during the Presidential debates

    My point was that the Marine, in dress uniform, was probably (though possibly not) there in an official capacity. Maybe as Color Guard, maybe halftime presentation or something altogether different. It was not to suggest he was part of a broader Marine presence or action during the Ole Miss game. Knowing why he was there might, I thought, help us to understand why he thought he should intervene.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      My point was that the Marine, in dress uniform, was probably (though possibly not) there in an official capacity. Maybe as Color Guard, maybe halftime presentation or something altogether different. It was not to suggest he was part of a broader Marine presence or action during the Ole Miss game. Knowing why he was there might, I thought, help us to understand why he thought he should intervene.
      Why he thought he should intervene? Because he was there. Doesn't matter why he was there, he was. So he did.
      Dress uniform/fatigues...I doubt it would have mattered to him.
      Official/unofficial capacity...I doubt that would have mattered to him either.

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      • #33
        I thought the whole episode was fun and I'm no military guy even though I've served.
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        • #34
          Colour me a little confused too.

          At first it kinda looks like he's having some fun - at least the guys behind him thought it was funny. However, if he's that serious about it, and was in uniform I doubt he did it in jest. It seems rather unprofessional, the only thing that makes sense to me is the idea that he was going to salute the Marine and he took offense to it. If Goodwin was going to shush the crowd, why would he care?

          If he wasn't there in an official capacity, why was he on the sidelines?

          Of course, I'm Canadian, don't understand a lot of stuff related to the forces in the US, so maybe I should just keep my big Canuck trap shut.
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          Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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          • #35
            This is a pretty good video from the same game. Forever breaking the fallacy Eric on That 70s show started when he said 'No one wants to tackle a naked guy'

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            Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
              Maybe he's a drill sergeant...
              He is

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              • #37
                Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                You mean screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOO" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO" to a football player who just scored a touchdown in a football stadium and is providing entertainment to 80,000 paying customers?

                An excited college kid. He wasn't cocky a bit. He took that guys tirade like a man and went on his way. Zero disrespect.

                You treat someone like that when they really fuck up. You don't treat someone like that just because you can.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #38
                  I didn't know we had some many damn hippies here! Go 'merica!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mission View Post
                    I didn't know we had some many damn hippies here! Go 'merica!
                    Born In The U. S. A.

                    Born down in a dead man town
                    The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
                    You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
                    Till you spend half your life just covering up

                    Born in the u.s.a., I was born in the u.s.a.
                    I was born in the u.s.a., born in the u.s.a.

                    Got in a little hometown jam
                    So they put a rifle in my hand
                    Sent me off to a foreign land
                    To go and kill the yellow man

                    Born in the U.S.A...

                    Come back home to the refinery
                    Hiring man said son if it was up to me
                    Went down to see my v.a. man
                    He said son, don't you understand

                    I had a brother at Khe Sahn
                    Fighting off the Viet Cong
                    They're still there, he's all gone

                    He had a woman he loved in Saigon
                    I got a picture of him in her arms now

                    Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
                    Out by the gas fires of the refinery
                    I'm ten years burning down the road
                    Nowhere to run aint got nowhere to go

                    Born in the u.s.a., I was born in the u.s.a.
                    Born in the u.s.a., I'm a long gone daddy in the u.s.a.
                    Born in the u.s.a., born in the u.s.a.
                    Born in the u.s.a., I'm a cool rocking daddy in the u.s.a.

                    Bruce, you're the finest of all the hippies of the world.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JustinHarrell View Post
                      An excited college kid. He wasn't cocky a bit. He took that guys tirade like a man and went on his way. Zero disrespect.

                      You treat someone like that when they really fuck up. You don't treat someone like that just because you can.
                      Treat someone like what? What did he do that was so awful, so bad?
                      The whole encounter was so brief, we've probably invested more energy and thought into it than either side merits at this point.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Little Whiskey View Post
                        how does he keep his hat on? that thing appears to be teetering
                        There's nothing in his head to serve as ballast.

                        Just kidding, former jarheads.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
                          He is
                          The Army and Air Force have drill sergeants the Marine Corps has Drill Instructors. I know, semantics but Marines don't like that.

                          For the record:
                          If he is then he is not currently but was a Drill Instructor and is now an ROTC instructor; the difference being DIs are only at at MCRDs Parris Island and San Diego for enlisted recruit training (you know, with their campaign covers on - "Smokey Bear") .

                          DI duty is a pre-requisite for follow-on duty as an Officer Cadidate School, The Basic School, or ROTC instructor. ROTC is training you recieve while in college, preparing you for OCS. OCS is where you earn your commission (between junior/senior year for ROTC, after college graduation for all else). TBS is for all newly appointed officers. Yes, officers are trained by enlisted.

                          Oh, and BTW, the National Guard is funded by their home state (unless called to forward deploy, then DoD) and as such can by activated by the state governer for disaster relief, etc. No posse comitatus.
                          Semper Fi
                          "Hhhmmm, beer..my only vice."

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