Negatives

[mmmdk]

If a banana republic can ban Suzanne Collins then ban the NFL. And "To kill a mocking bird" is totally misread by a nation then that nation should be put down.

[denverYooper]

I figured we might as well have a counterpoint to the "Positives" thread. Some are new, some are old but are now becoming real obstacles. Identify the fundamental things you have seen that are a concern as the team moves forward. Some of mine:

- This is not a physically tough team right now. It routinely comes out on the short end of physical play. The O-line gets shoved around, the receivers are not standing up to physical play and, while playing better, the defense still seems to get "out toughed", yielding extra yards to running backs time and time again after initial contact.

As far as the receivers go, it seems they're often getting flat out mugged. I mean, part of the book on this O seems to be to beat up on those guys to get in their heads. Sort of like GB has done to Cutler. And it's working so far. The announcers last night were talking about Jennings saying that he didn't like to get bumped.

Jones has looked decent lately, I think, because he's a house and for all the crap he gets, doesn't get intimidated by physical play. To his credit also, Finley seems to be dealing with it much better than he used to.

[Patler]

As far as the receivers go, it seems they're often getting flat out mugged. I mean, part of the book on this O seems to be to beat up on those guys to get in their heads. Sort of like GB has done to Cutler. And it's working so far. The announcers last night were talking about Jennings saying that he didn't like to get bumped.

Jones has looked decent lately, I think, because he's a house and for all the crap he gets, doesn't get intimidated by physical play. To his credit also, Finley seems to be dealing with it much better than he used to.

Jennings talked in an interview last year about how much he hates contact. Mentioned it several times in the interview. I thought it very stupid at the time, as he was inviting guys to mess with him.

I agree about Jones and Finley. The biggest disappointment so far has been Nelson, who has the size to play a physical game, but hasn't.

[wist43]

We got lucky and won a SB - teams hadn't caught up to what we were doing on offense yet, and every player on the roster played to their ceiling for that stretch of games. Take the money and run... we stole one.

The jig is up now though, and the flaws have been exposed.

This team is soft, weak, feminine, dainty, girlish, and wimpy to its core. The coaches coach that way, and the players play that way. It is the mindset of the team. Even if we had any bullish run blockers on the roster, which we don't, the coaches coach them to simply wall defenders off as opposed to moving a guy off the line. There's no trapping, no pulling, no sweeps. The entire run playbook consists of scrum left, right, and up the middle - it's easy to stop, and it's a joke.

As for defense, we've improved the personnel, but we still have Capers calling the shots. We've faced 1 average offense (SF), and 2 poor offenses. I fully expect NO, even with all of the problems that they've been having, to put up some gaudy numbers against this defense. Capers is all about being cute and trying gimmicks - he coaches a soft philosophy, which fits right in with the Tinker Bell offense.

I had hoped that MM and Capers would have learned from last year and made the necessary adjustments - but it's obvious they learned nothing. Even with the fancy pants philosophy, we still have a lot of skill position talent, and might be a borderline playoff team - but we're not going anywhere even if we make the playoffs. Tough, physical teams will simply beat us up, and there's nothing we can do about that - we're simply too weak a team.

[wootah]

MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

[wist43]

Well, it's no secret I love smashmouth football - I wanted to go a 3-4, and I wanted a power running team.

I got my wish on the 3-4, but they hired Mr. "2-4 nickel" - "1-10 dime" Capers, and it was fancy pants football on both sides of the ball.

Football is a rough and tumble game - the Packers philosophy is finesse. Now that teams have caught up to our passing game, we're going to struggle mightily against good teams. We'll probably look awesome against bad defenses, but against the upper echelon teams we're definitely undermanned.

[packrulz]

Shouldn't the Packers be taught to knock down a hail Mary pass? I mean, why catch it at all?

[Gunakor]

Shouldn't the Packers be taught to knock down a hail Mary pass? I mean, why catch it at all?

I've seen plenty of batted balls fall into the waiting hands of the trailing WR too. It shouldn't matter what you were supposed to do when you pick it clean out of the air and come down with it pinned against your chest.

[Teamcheez1]

I've seen plenty of batted balls fall into the waiting hands of the trailing WR too. It shouldn't matter what you were supposed to do when you pick it clean out of the air and come down with it pinned against your chest.

It probably would have never even gotten to McMillan if Shields hadn't been blatantly pushed. I think he felt if he missed batting the ball down it could have been caught by Tate. Or maybe he just wanted the INT.

[mraynrand]

Well, it's no secret I love smashmouth football - I wanted to go a 3-4, and I wanted a power running team.

I got my wish on the 3-4, but they hired Mr. "2-4 nickel" - "1-10 dime" Capers, and it was fancy pants football on both sides of the ball.

Football is a rough and tumble game - the Packers philosophy is finesse. Now that teams have caught up to our passing game, we're going to struggle mightily against good teams. We'll probably look awesome against bad defenses, but against the upper echelon teams we're definitely undermanned.

Maybe you missed the second half where the offense kicked the crap out of Seattle's D. Maybe you missed the entire game, where our D kicked the crap out of their offense and allowed essentially one play the entire game. Geesus some times you are totally irascible.

[denverYooper]

Maybe you missed the second half where the offense kicked the crap out of Seattle's D. Maybe you missed the entire game, where our D kicked the crap out of their offense and allowed essentially one play the entire game. Geesus some times you are totally irascible.

Who is the last power running team to win a Superbowl? The 2000 Ravens?

[mmmdk]

Due to the MNF disgrace I'll be posting a whooole lot more on PR...you can all "thank" Golden Gate Goodell for that!

[denverYooper]

Due to the MNF disgrace I'll be posting a whooole lot more on PR...you can all "thank" Golden Gate Goodell for that!

Yeah, it sure seems to have done a lot for discussion board traffic.

[Smidgeon]

Yeah, it sure seems to have done a lot for discussion board traffic.

Which I accept as a good outcome. More to read and engage in is always good.

[ThunderDan]

Which I accept as a good outcome. More to read and engage in is always good.

Hey, that should be in the positives thread!