Time to face fact

[Smidgeon]

15k for a legal hit.

If that hit is truly illegal the NFL can fine 20+ players a game for the same thing. This might be how they are going to pay for the additional money they had to pay the real refs.

Not really. It's the "Defenseless Player" rule they've recently tweaked. He lead with his helmet into a defenseless player. That's what the flag and fine was for.

But I loved that hit. It made the league notice the rookie on the other side.

[Fritz]

I kind of miss the Mike Sherman "We've REALLY got our backs to the wall, now" or "We've REALLY dug ourselves a hole, now" comments.

Here's something I haven't seen much talk about: twice this past week there have been comments about the team's lack of intensity. Once, from MM, there was a reference to not having good practices (which often means a team is not working hard or focused), and once from Rodgers that the team needs to come out with more intensity.

What's up with that? What's wrong with this team's attitude?

This one's on MM to fix.

[Bossman641]

Not really. It's the "Defenseless Player" rule they've recently tweaked. He lead with his helmet into a defenseless player. That's what the flag and fine was for.

But I loved that hit. It made the league notice the rookie on the other side.

Led with his helmet? I have hard time agreeing with that. Perry basically put his facemask in Luck's chest. Ya, his head was tilted forward a little but how the hell is he supposed to crouch down and explode forward with his neck tilted backwards?

[ThunderDan]

Not really. It's the "Defenseless Player" rule they've recently tweaked. He lead with his helmet into a defenseless player. That's what the flag and fine was for.

But I loved that hit. It made the league notice the rookie on the other side.

How is the QB defenseless? He knows that there is a pass rush coming. Perry wasn't even coming from Luck's blindside.

[Smidgeon]

How is the QB defenseless? He knows that there is a pass rush coming. Perry wasn't even coming from Luck's blindside.

I didn't say I agreed with the rule the way it stands. Just that it fell under the NFL's rules for hitting a defenseless player.

[George Cumby]

Led with his helmet? I have hard time agreeing with that. Perry basically put his facemask in Luck's chest. Ya, his head was tilted forward a little but how the hell is he supposed to crouch down and explode forward with his neck tilted backwards?

That hit gives me wood.

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right!

[LegandofthePack15]

Led with his helmet? I have hard time agreeing with that. Perry basically put his facemask in Luck's chest. Ya, his head was tilted forward a little but how the hell is he supposed to crouch down and explode forward with his neck tilted backwards?

Hit was legit. Luck acted like a pussy and ref threw pussy flag. Expect Luck to win ESPY Award for Pussy Play of the Year.

[ThunderDan]

I didn't say I agreed with the rule the way it stands. Just that it fell under the NFL's rules for hitting a defenseless player.

I thought the defenseless player was one who was going to catch a ball or get possession of the ball not a player that has the ball since when the play started.

[rbaloha1]

Legit fine.

NP knows to lead with shoulder not head.

[ThunderDan]

Clarifies that only "forcible blows" to the head of the passer will be fouls, not just any touch.

Here are the recent changes for defenseless players for passers.

[ThunderDan]

Led with his helmet? I have hard time agreeing with that. Perry basically put his facemask in Luck's chest. Ya, his head was tilted forward a little but how the hell is he supposed to crouch down and explode forward with his neck tilted backwards?

If you watch the replay closely Luck's head actual goes toward Perry at the hit. The physics of which dictate that Perry didn't hit the QB's head.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Legit fine.

NP knows to lead with shoulder not head.

I don't think the QB is the same as a defenseless reciever, you can lead with the helmet. The issue here was helmet-to-helmet.

Perry got his helmet underneath the face mask, which caused the QB's head to whip back. No way was the QB acting, he was hit by a ton of bricks there.

Bottom line: it was on the edge, but no way can you fault the ref for calling a penalty there. As far as the fine ..... it sucks, since the hit was not dirty, but he crossed the line ever so slightly. Next time use more shoulder or go lower.

[Zool]

I don't think the QB is the same as a defenseless reciever, you can lead with the helmet. The issue here was helmet-to-helmet.

Perry got his helmet underneath the face mask, which caused the QB's head to whip back. No way was the QB acting, he was hit by a ton of bricks there.

Bottom line: it was on the edge, but no way can you fault the ref for calling a penalty there. As far as the fine ..... it sucks, since the hit was not dirty, but he crossed the line ever so slightly. Next time use more shoulder or go lower.

Maybe get some glasses and read a physics book? As pointed out, Luck's head goes forward. He put a hat on the ball like is and should be taught. Otherwise time to go 2 hand touch for QBs.

[ThunderDan]

I don't think the QB is the same as a defenseless reciever, you can lead with the helmet. The issue here was helmet-to-helmet.

Perry got his helmet underneath the face mask, which caused the QB's head to whip back. No way was the QB acting, he was hit by a ton of bricks there.

Bottom line: it was on the edge, but no way can you fault the ref for calling a penalty there. As far as the fine ..... it sucks, since the hit was not dirty, but he crossed the line ever so slightly. Next time use more shoulder or go lower.

Do you work for the league office?

[swede]

Ohhkay.