Time to face fact

[Kiwon]

Yes, if I live long enough, I can see a tasteless Michael Vick joke video. When is OK to joke about that one, 2020?


I'm sorry that people are upset by my black humor, that was not my intent. But I will defend to my death your right to say I am a prick.

Dude, you ARE a prick but you don't have to be. I can feel the goodness in you. You can be turned.

Harlan, IT'S NOT FUNNY in any way, shape, or form. You are clever enough to make your point in other ways. Take a step toward the good side of The Force.

Take it down.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Kiwon, you are the one angry at the Muslims for demanding that the Danish cartoon be taken down.

I made a bad joke. I accept the condemnation. Black humor frequently crosses the line. The closer to the line, usually the funnier, not always.

[Kiwon]

Kiwon, you are the one angry at the Muslims for demanding that the Danish cartoon be taken down.

I made a bad joke. I accept the condemnation. Black humor frequently crosses the line. The closer to the line, usually the funnier, not always.

I gave my advice. 'nuff said.

Yes, I believe in free speech and oppose terrorism. Very extreme, huh?

You can hardly equate the assassination of Kennedy to a cartoonist's drawing that some might find offensive.

A cartoon doesn't have the power to wound a whole country and change the course of history. Kennedy's murder did.

(Here's a thought....how about we talk about football in the Packers forum?)

[pbmax]

Kiwon, I think there are plenty of steps between lawsuits changing the game making it unrecognizable and simply crafting a safer game (not absolutely safe, but considerably safer).

Unfortunately, the League right now, with an assist by way of inaction from the NFLPA, is more concerned with PR, appearances and the lawsuit than they are in actual rules changes that protect players.

Its going to have to be colleges and high schools who do this heavy lifting, which they could start by lifting or relaxing the regulations over the A-11 offense and its variants. While part of the offense rests on confusion and deception (in certain scrimmage kick formations, regulations on numbers don't hold for eligible receivers so the tackle split wide could be eligible), the idea of unclogging the LOS with bigger splits or only 3 or 4 down lineman is an idea worth exploring. Because most data so far so the worst damage is done with consistent, low to medium level repeated trauma. Not hits like Perry's.

[Kiwon]

Kiwon, I think there are plenty of steps between lawsuits changing the game making it unrecognizable and simply crafting a safer game (not absolutely safe, but considerably safer).

Unfortunately, the League right now, with an assist by way of inaction from the NFLPA, is more concerned with PR, appearances and the lawsuit than they are in actual rules changes that protect players.

Its going to have to be colleges and high schools who do this heavy lifting, which they could start by lifting or relaxing the regulations over the A-11 offense and its variants. While part of the offense rests on confusion and deception (in certain scrimmage kick formations, regulations on numbers don't hold for eligible receivers so the tackle split wide could be eligible), the idea of unclogging the LOS with bigger splits or only 3 or 4 down lineman is an idea worth exploring. Because most data so far so the worst damage is done with consistent, low to medium level repeated trauma. Not hits like Perry's.

Maybe you have more faith than I do. The U.S. is the most litigious society on earth.

Deep pockets = $$$ = lawyers and class action suits.

If the Concussion Suit is not settled with compensation for the players and common sense rule changes, if necessary, and the Plantiffs win in court, then that will open the floodgates for other lawsuits that pertain to specific injuries. If that's the case and a pattern begins, at some point, the owners are going to get sick of paying out money due to injuries and then make serious changes in the game to avoid further losses. I could see this senario happening in the next 10-15 years.

The whole issue of injury and player responsibilty needs to handled now, and comprehensively, for the good of the game.

[mraynrand]

Kiwon, I think there are plenty of steps between lawsuits changing the game making it unrecognizable and simply crafting a safer game (not absolutely safe, but considerably safer).

Unfortunately, the League right now, with an assist by way of inaction from the NFLPA, is more concerned with PR, appearances and the lawsuit than they are in actual rules changes that protect players.

Its going to have to be colleges and high schools who do this heavy lifting, which they could start by lifting or relaxing the regulations over the A-11 offense and its variants. While part of the offense rests on confusion and deception (in certain scrimmage kick formations, regulations on numbers don't hold for eligible receivers so the tackle split wide could be eligible), the idea of unclogging the LOS with bigger splits or only 3 or 4 down lineman is an idea worth exploring. Because most data so far so the worst damage is done with consistent, low to medium level repeated trauma. Not hits like Perry's.

To you point and kiwon's: The issue is damage as you say from repeated trauma. Which means the issue is whether football is to remain a contact sport with bodies colliding. There would be some mitigation in the directions you indicate, but so long as there is blocking and tackling, you are going to have players that will develop brain syndromes - dementia, etc. So the issue becomes whether it will be common and easy to sue the NFL over this stuff, no matter how much the NFL tries to improve safety. If there are consistent, successful lawsuits, the game will have to change. Who knows, with technology the way it is, it may be practical to play a two hand touch kind of football. I see something like that being the future (think gloves with sensors and touch pads on the thighs and calves of players), especially with soccer moms wanting to save the kiddies - pbmax is right about that - it will come from the high schools and those very nervous and highly activist moms protecting their babies.

[mraynrand]

It is Friday and I am still not facing fact

[pbmax]

It is Friday and I am still not facing fact

I am currently facing Nort.

I think there are any number of ways the League can indemnify itself against future claims. Nothing will be watertight, but I don't expect this to become a regular line item on team financial reports: Court Losses re Concussions. I could be wrong, but other workplaces have adopted policies to safeguard themselves and workers while continuing to operate and there are plenty of workplaces less safe than the NFL. If necessary, I don't doubt that Congress could be induced to act to support such a settlement.

There is no public enthusiasm to eliminate football.

The only question is what will drive the changes. Clear headed thinking, or panic about PR and lawsuits? My money is on panic, but its a slim call right now, mostly because I don't think Goodell has a good sense of how to proceed other than by issuing excitable public screeds.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You can hardly equate the assassination of Kennedy to a cartoonist's drawing that some might find offensive.

A cartoon doesn't have the power to wound a whole country and change the course of history.

We're comparing a joke about the Kennedy assasination with a joke about Muhammed. You are dead wrong, (speaking of dead, what do you think of the 80's rock band The Dead Kennedys?) the Danish cartoon did have the power to wound the feelings of a billion or so Muslims, even more so than a reminder of the Zapruder film offended you.

I think it is appropriate to criticize me for bad taste and insensitivity, just as the Danish cartoon was over the line, but calling for censorship is not the way to go.

[Freak Out]

I believe the majority of male Muslims concuss themselves while praying...have you seen some of those prayer calluses?

[sharpe1027]

Bottom line: it was on the edge, but no way can you fault the ref for calling a penalty there. As far as the fine ..... it sucks, since the hit was not dirty, but he crossed the line ever so slightly. Next time use more shoulder or go lower.

+1. It could have gone either way under the new QB pampering rules.

[George Cumby]

I am currently facing Nort.

And the NFL is facing Tort.

[LP]

I believe the majority of male Muslims concuss themselves while praying...have you seen some of those prayer calluses?

Are they suing the NFL too?

[Freak Out]

Kiwon and HH have added them to the list of plaintiffs.

[mraynrand]

I believe the majority of male Muslims concuss themselves while praying...have you seen some of those prayer calluses?

[Bigotry] Does that explain the dementia?[/Bigotry]*






*I am only referring to extreme radical Islam. Please do not Fatwa me.