Packers defenders "lazy" ????

[Patler]

I posted the link to this article in another thread, but I thought it might merit it's own thread for discussion purposes:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...174061711.html

We have often commented in here about an apparent lack of hustle, intensity, whatever on defense; contrasting the Packers one or two guys in on a tackle to the gang tackling seen from the leagues better defenses. This article makes a player by player analysis of effort/hustle on defense.

[George Cumby]

I am so-so on McGinn, but he's calling it like he sees it (actually how the fans see it, too, it would seem). I agree, no fire on this team. Disturbing.

[AtlPackFan]

Not a McGinn fan but I agree wholeheartedly with this article

[mission]

It'd be nice Capers came down on the sideline and ran around and yelled at guys and shit

[pbmax]

This kind of article drives me nuts. By what measure is the Packers effort middle of the road? Do scouts actually watch the game tape with the celebrations still in the cut ups? This is simply a baseball article about David Eckstein substituting effort for gritty and Raji for Eckstein.

Outside of the first few plays, emotion and intensity is mostly a byproduct of results and success. Rah rah looks great in highlight reels of winning team, its not a building block of success. A player who takes plays off would be just as likely to celebrate someone else's success as the try hard guys.

I put more credence into wist's undersized front explanation for the play of the defense than this.

[LegandofthePack15]

Whether you agree or disagree with McGinn, there's no denying that he's the best Packer beat writer out there.

Disagreed with McGinn's take on C-Wood. The guy does everything every game. Blitz, play the run, cover. Deserves a little breather away from the ball once in a while.

Agreed with:

Nick Barnett...he played fast on Sundays and tried to punish the opponent.

Cullen Jenkins...could fly into a rage on the field at a moment's notice and ignite an entire defense.

Nick Collins always did have tremendous range and never lost his willingness to form tackle and chase.

[pbmax]

Cullen Jenkins...could fly into a rage on the field at a moment's notice and ignite an entire defense.

First, the item about Collins has to be mostly about talent and secondarily about emotion.

Second, Worthy is far more emotional than Jenkins on the field. That seems a win for the younger players if emotion is the key to being more than mediocre.

[mraynrand]

Enthusiasm usually follows confidence born of success. You don't put the cart before the horse, and you don't put self-esteem before achievement. Just play better.

[red]

good article

[Rutnstrut]

If the rest of the Packer D played with the fire that Hawk is this year, the D would be better. Most of the D seems to give a half assed effort at best.

[wist43]

I would say they are demoralized - that will drain the spunk out of anyone in a hurry.

I think they know the game plans are junk, and the coaching staff, i.e. Capers, won't put them in alignments to be successful. When you have 3rd and 17, and you know the moron up in the booth is going to call for a 3 man rush, and loose zone coverage... you know full well the offense has a good chance of picking up the 1st down - it's an easy pitch and catch when you don't cover anyone.

Sun tsu - it starts at the top. Capers is the villain here. I don't put any blame on any of the players b/c they are not being put in positions to be successful. Until Capers is fired, I give all the players a pass.

[Rutnstrut]

I would say they are demoralized - that will drain the spunk out of anyone in a hurry.

I think they know the game plans are junk, and the coaching staff, i.e. Capers, won't put them in alignments to be successful. When you have 3rd and 17, and you know the moron up in the booth is going to call for a 3 man rush, and loose zone coverage... you know full well the offense has a good chance of picking up the 1st down - it's an easy pitch and catch when you don't cover anyone.

Sun tsu - it starts at the top. Capers is the villain here. I don't put any blame on any of the players b/c they are not being put in positions to be successful. Until Capers is fired, I give all the players a pass.

Very good point, Capers is a dumbass.

[pbmax]

The players must all have agreed to take alternate plays off tonight.

[George Cumby]

Not tonite.

[pbmax]

I enjoyed JJ Watt's infectious enthusiasm, his motor, his atta boys and slaps on the behinds of his teammates. I am sure it inspired them have such close coverage on all the pass completions Rodgers and the WRs had tonight.