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  • #16
    Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
    Like cheesehead said we need a safety. I would also like to point out the rams are not exactly a good air offence team. Our passing d was good not great. Props to Haywood.
    Ha! Ha! Ha! From now on, I'm gonna hyphenate his last name and refer to him as Hayward-Jablome.....
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    • #17
      Originally posted by mission View Post
      Never would have thought we'd be saying that this season. And just think -- we had Jarrett Bush starting against the 49ers.
      I suspect the 9ers are glad they played us the first week rather than now...

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      • #18
        We still need to be better against the run. Not having Raji in there probably doesn't help but the Rams ran all over us at times. This week we might be getting a break against the Jags with MJD hobbling.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
          I think Hayward is Woodson's heir-apparent. Smart enough to learn a bunch of different positions, great ball skills, and big enough to line up safety.
          Hayward has put himself in the conversation for DROY.
          When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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          • #20


            Hayward continuing to show he's best rookie CB in the league.Targeted 10 times but only allowed 4 receptions.QB rating of 33.8
            When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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            • #21
              Woodson needs to stay at safety and let Hayward and House come in for nickel and dime situations IMO.

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              • #22
                Funny how I was reading an article a few days before the game about how GB struck gold with Cobb and Hayward and then they go out and perform like that.

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                • #23
                  So I did not pay close attention to House, but I'm curious as to how he played. He was the starter early in training camp. Can he play zone? How does he do supporting the run defense?
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                    So I did not pay close attention to House, but I'm curious as to how he played. He was the starter early in training camp. Can he play zone? How does he do supporting the run defense?
                    Looked fit and played alright. Got victimized on the TD by biting and waiting too long for an inside move when the WR went outside down the sideline. Looked rusty perhaps, but not injured.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #25
                      Hayward seems to possess a fair amount of Charles Woodson's instincts. With the coming salary cap/resigning issues, I think Woodson is gone next year - and Hayward will be used in a Woodson-like role.
                      House was solid, I thought - especially on reacting to slants. He was burned on the td, but this would seem to be part of the learning process.
                      Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                      • #26
                        With Woodson out for a while it is a good thing we didn't dump Shields, huh?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Shadow View Post
                          Hayward seems to possess a fair amount of Charles Woodson's instincts. With the coming salary cap/resigning issues, I think Woodson is gone next year - and Hayward will be used in a Woodson-like role.
                          House was solid, I thought - especially on reacting to slants. He was burned on the td, but this would seem to be part of the learning process.
                          When he was drafted, Hayward's coach in college said described him as being "weird smart" or something like that. i.e.: He just knows when to be in the right place at the right time.

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                          • #28
                            Weird smart would normally worry me in a mad scientist sort of way. For football, I welcome it.

                            Shields talents fit a lot of the defenses the Packers play. Remember, everyone wants the Pack in man to man underneath. He can still learn zone well enough to be Tramontana serviceable in zone.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #29
                              House looked great outside of that touchdown play. Really aggressive. Good body control, breaking up passes without getting there too soon. Looked like the guy we saw in the preseason. Looks a lot bigger than Hayward... just from a second year bulk-up perspective. If we can get one of these safeties to make a big jump this could be a very, very good secondary with -- dare I say it -- Tramon Williams one of the weak links.

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                              • #30
                                Yes.

                                SS has too many mental lapses which results in big td receptions.

                                Upon the drafting of Hayward expected CH to become the starter. Dude is tailor made for the Capers cover 2. Comparing to Asante Samuel is a good one.

                                Never accepted the lack of a good 40 time preventing CH from running deep with receivers. Anticipation abilities easily overcome the lack of SS type speed.

                                SS benefitted from a poor traning camp and injuries.

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