MM has made adjustments

[wist43]

Dear Wist,

Official note: We want to keep the Packers area viewable at work for the most part. Cussing is allowed and really images are the biggest issue so I dont think the removal was unjustified. I stand by any decision a mod makes.

I didn't care that a mod took Harlan's brain splatter down - and I didn't pay much attention to the vitriol... I saw a bit of the back and forth, and know that Harlan walked. In my experience in dealing with Harlan, without bothering to go back and look at all the back and forth, it would seem to take quite a bit for him to hit the sidelines.

I have pretty thick skin - politically correct bullies, which are legion in our sickass society, aren't going to push me around. I have to live in this disgusting country, and live with them around me all day, every day... it's not like I'm not used to them.

[wist43]

That would be me.

I do appreciate your contrarian perspective, although a bit monotonous in tone, I'm glad their is a dissenting viewpoint which generates discussion.

Your points might be better taken if not routinely hyperbolic. Just a thought.

As I said in another post - I look at the weaknesses... just as our opponents would. Everyone can see what is working - everyone pretty much ignores what isn't working... especially if we win the game.

Last year, we went 15-1, but were a seriously flawed team... as long as we were winning, nobody wanted to hear about the flaws. Perhaps MM and Capers were able to convince themselves of it as well?? In the end, an opponent doesn't care that you think quite highly of yourself. The Giants came to Lambeau in the playoffs and punched us right in the mouth, and we didn't have an answer. The Niners pushed us around with ease; the Chiefs beat us up pretty good...

Sweep the flaws under the rug and focus on the happy face stuff.

[Fritz]

I'm pretty sure MM and Capers were well aware of the flaws last year, Wist. I don't think they'd have NFL jobs if they thought the defense was playing just fine as it was.

The problem is not that your analysis of the weaknesses is without merit; the problem is your assertion that Capers and MM either don't know, don't want to know, or don't care. That's idiocy, is what that is.

What do you think they were supposed to do? Come out and proclaim that the talent just wasn't there? Then go onto the field to coach those guys? And don't tell me Capers didn't blitz; there was plenty of that. The blitzes just didn't get home, and damn, that was aggravating to watch.

What the team can say for public consumption is surely not what MM, Capers, et al are saying behind closed doors.

[mission]

As I said in another post - I look at the weaknesses... just as our opponents would. Everyone can see what is working - everyone pretty much ignores what isn't working... especially if we win the game.

Last year, we went 15-1, but were a seriously flawed team... as long as we were winning, nobody wanted to hear about the flaws. Perhaps MM and Capers were able to convince themselves of it as well?? In the end, an opponent doesn't care that you think quite highly of yourself. The Giants came to Lambeau in the playoffs and punched us right in the mouth, and we didn't have an answer. The Niners pushed us around with ease; the Chiefs beat us up pretty good...

Sweep the flaws under the rug and focus on the happy face stuff.

Why would fans of a 15-1 team want to talk about a bunch of flaws? Sure it can make for conversation sometimes, but we are fans. If that makes me a homer, then I'm a homer. I choose to try and feel good throughout my day. I try to eat things I like and do the things I like. Do well in my job so I can make more money and my boss says nice things and keeps me around awhile longer. I try to treat people reasonably and be nice to my wife and kids when I come home. I choose to generally focus on the positive things in my life.

Sorry I don't want to spend a bunch of time being miserable. Packers as the topic or otherwise. I suspect many other people are like me. Doubt the few "neg-balls" on this forum are negative people only on this forum regarding the Packers. I just feel sorry for your wives...

[StPaulPackFan]

Why would fans of a 15-1 team want to talk about a bunch of flaws? Sure it can make for conversation sometimes, but we are fans. If that makes me a homer, then I'm a homer. I choose to try and feel good throughout my day. I try to eat things I like and do the things I like. Do well in my job so I can make more money and my boss says nice things and keeps me around awhile longer. I try to treat people reasonably and be nice to my wife and kids when I come home. I choose to generally focus on the positive things in my life.

Sorry I don't want to spend a bunch of time being miserable. Packers as the topic or otherwise. I suspect many other people are like me. Doubt the few "neg-balls" on this forum are negative people only on this forum regarding the Packers. I just feel sorry for your wives...

Mission, I couldn't agree with you more. It wasn't too long ago that I used to let a Packer loss depress me for several days. I didn't enjoy the wins, I just hated the losses. In fact I realized that I didn't even enjoy watching the games. I assume I was much like Wist (Sorry if I'm out of line here, Wist ). I was critical of every play call, every formation, my perceived lack of player's effort and nearly every coaches intelligence. No win was good enough and every loss was a total disaster. There was always something I could complain about.

Some personal traumas in my life have caused me to change how I live and how I approach being a fan. I now look at Packer games for what they are, entertainment. I have learned to enjoy watching Packers games again regardless of the outcome. Bottom line, I am a lot happier person. It really is exhausting putting so much negative energy into something that you have no control of.

[mission]

Mission, I couldn't agree with you more. It wasn't too long ago that I used to let a Packer loss depress me for several days. I didn't enjoy the wins, I just hated the losses. In fact I realized that I didn't even enjoy watching the games. I assume I was much like Wist (Sorry if I'm out of line here, Wist ). I was critical of every play call, every formation, my perceived lack of player's effort and nearly every coaches intelligence. No win was good enough and every loss was a total disaster. There was always something I could complain about.

Some personal traumas in my life have caused me to change how I live and how I approach being a fan. I now look at Packer games for what they are, entertainment. I have learned to enjoy watching Packers games again regardless of the outcome. Bottom line, I am a lot happier person. It really is exhausting putting so much negative energy into something that you have no control of.

Glad you've came around too! Losses destroyed me, it was the worst of the worst. Fire everybody. Fuck everybody too.

Real life puts things into perspective. I love this team just as much as I always have, but I just don't have the time to invest much negative energy into it. I can barely be on twitter during a Packer game... my timeline is just filled with rage even though the team might be winning. There's always something to nitpick.

I'm a homer and life is good. Go Pack Go.

[pbmax]

Its not even a matter of sweeping flaws under the rug. There were far more positive things to talk about in a 15-1 season than negative. And there was no lack of coverage about the problems on defense. Only a question of how badly they would come up and bite the team in the ass.

And as bad as that defense played, the offense was at fault for the last loss of the season. And the worst loss (Chiefs) of the regular season. Much of the hand wringing afterward was an attempt to blame the defense for one of their better performances that season (at least until the end of the first half). Should have been enough to give the offense a chance to strike early. It wasn't good enough in the end, but the offense has overcome worse during that season. And you don't win the majority of playoff games these days with 20 points, seven of which came after the game was in hand.

Better fortune with Philbin's tragedy and Jennings injury and the Packers and Patriots would have been the 1st and 2nd worst pass defenses in the NFL playing in the Super Bowl. Belicheck gets credit, Capers gets blame. There is not much difference between the coaches or the front office.

Its not that people don't see the flaws. Everyone is trying to see how the team goes on a run despite them. Who wants to look forward to a demise?

[King Friday]

Winning a Super Bowl recently helps a lot. I live among Browns fans and Bengals fans who are constantly miserable because their teams have been awful for decades. That would make it much worse. Enjoy the highs...let the lows blow over because you can sit back and watch Wist go into know-it-all mode, which is always a treat.

[MadtownPacker]

sit back and watch Wist go into know-it-all mode, which is always a treat.

Exactly. He is truly the belle of the ball.

[Pugger]

I don't mind folks pointing out shortcomings but ignoring the positive is tiresome too.

[mission]

I don't mind folks pointing out shortcomings but ignoring the positive is tiresome too.

That's a good way to put it

[Fritz]

I did not like the title of the thread. It caused me unwanted flashes of MM adjusting his crotch or pulling his undies out of his butt.

But I did like, very much, StPaulPackfan's post. he's hit it, spot on. I've been thinking of writing an essay on this strange new fandom, that seems to be so angry, more than anything else. And if Pack fans are angry, what of Browns fans? Or Lions fans?

[StPaulPackFan]

I did not like the title of the thread. It caused me unwanted flashes of MM adjusting his crotch or pulling his undies out of his butt.

But I did like, very much, StPaulPackfan's post. he's hit it, spot on. I've been thinking of writing an essay on this strange new fandom, that seems to be so angry, more than anything else. And if Pack fans are angry, what of Browns fans? Or Lions fans?

Thanks Fritz. Real life has a way of putting things into perspective. Being passionate is one thing, being angry and abusive is another. Since I live in the Twin Cities most of my friends are Viking's fans. Fortunately, and probably not by coincidence, they are all level headed and non-abusive. The Packers / Vikings rivalry is actually fun for both sides regardless of the outcomes.

I consider myself a passionate fan. Green and Gold today and other related talk radio helps pass the time at work. I enjoy reading Packerrats and other forums to find out information on the team. But I just choose not to spend any negative energy on something I have no control of. I also realize that professional athletes and coaches get paid as well as they do for a reason. Not just anyone off the streets can do what they do. Apparently that goes for refs too .

[MJZiggy]

I did not like the title of the thread. It caused me unwanted flashes of MM adjusting his crotch or pulling his undies out of his butt.

But I did like, very much, StPaulPackfan's post. he's hit it, spot on. I've been thinking of writing an essay on this strange new fandom, that seems to be so angry, more than anything else. And if Pack fans are angry, what of Browns fans? Or Lions fans?

Well thanks very much for putting THAT picture in my head...