Giants Review: Start With Rodgers

[Rutnstrut]

Maybe it's just me, but those sound more like opinions than facts. You're entitled to your own opinions of course, but that doesn't make them facts.

I would argue that stating that Rodgers is more worried about stats than winning amounts to hating. But the fact is, that's just my opinion.

You are correct they are my opinions, but after all isn't that what 99% of posts on boards are? I am far from a hater of AR, but I have no problem calling out what I see as his flaws either. He is a very good QB that could be great if he would not always play it so safe. You have to admit that sometimes it does look like he is too worried about personal stats. It's also easy to see in interviews that he pouts like a spoiled child anytime he receives a little criticism.

[denverYooper]

You are correct they are my opinions, but after all isn't that what 99% of posts on boards are? I am far from a hater of AR, but I have no problem calling out what I see as his flaws either. He is a very good QB that could be great if he would not always play it so safe. You have to admit that sometimes it does look like he is too worried about personal stats. It's also easy to see in interviews that he pouts like a spoiled child anytime he receives a little criticism.

Rodgers is a great QB already.
QED.

My 1 axiom system and its only proof.

[woodbuck27]

Maybe it's just me, but those sound more like opinions than facts. You're entitled to your own opinions of course, but that doesn't make them facts.

I would argue that stating that Rodgers is more worried about stats than winning amounts to hating. But the fact is, that's just my opinion.

I know you read this but just in case you missed it:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20121126/PKR07/121126059/Baranczyk-Christl-column-Linemen-aren-t-finishing-blocks?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE&gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

Aaron Rodgers

When the Packers lost in the 2007 postseason, Favre forced a pass that was intercepted and led to the Giants’ game-winning field goal. With Rodgers there is less risk-taking, but still no reward.


Make no mistake about it, the more the Giants’ lead grew the more Rodgers was under siege. But as longtime NFL scout Michael Lombardi wrote for NFL.com last week, “Interceptions are part of the game, and signal-callers who want to win a Super Bowl have to be willing to go for tight throws.”

At times against teams that have been able to apply pressure in front of their two deep zones, Rodgers has made bad reads, pulled the ball down prematurely, gotten antsy with his feet and dumped off balls on third down that had little chance of picking up a first down.

He had more than 4 seconds before he fled the pocket on his first sack. With plenty of time, on second-and-17 in the second quarter, it appeared he could have risked a quick throw down the seam to Jordy Nelson but wound up running for 6 yards.

Just before the end of the third quarter, he scrambled right and threw 10 yards to Nelson when he had time to stand in the pocket and hit Randall Cobb on a post for a 29-yard TD. On the next play, he had good time and rushed a throw to Nelson.

Playing behind a makeshift offensive line with no running game makes it tough on Rodgers, but the Packers aren’t the only contender minus a good back and having problems up front. Aside from running the ball, when the pressure is coming, the best way to beat it is by throwing the ball quick down the middle between the hash-marks.


Comment woodbuck27:

Don't bring up the 'H' word here. Hating....Dear Lord ! That must never happen ... here.

Is it OK to just to be objective and allow for this comment: That....in this last debaucle Vs the GIANTS, and for whatever reason it can be rightfully blamed on; and last time I checked. MM took the blame. I give him credit, even if he emphasizes the obvious.

Another obvious observation: Aaron Rodgers played less than superbly. Do we as PACKER FANS, look at a game and see it differently?

As a sidenote: I want MM and Aaron Rodgers to remove those ugly moustaches. Is that supposed to inform us that their far up one anothers ass's? Get rid of those late adolescent staches. Their a distraction and they look silly. That's easy to do.

As Packer fans, if MM and the Packers wern't aware of it? We had zero excuse not to be fully aware that the GIANTS would be fully ready or prepared to kick the Packers ass's in that game. As fans we were fully aware of the injury situation impact on our team. As fans we had to TRUST that MM would have a decent game plan prepared, to contend with the OL situation and the impact injuries would have on our team. If he thought he had that game plan. It wasn't obvious to many watching that game.

It's OK if you missed that 'fact'.

Straight up ! This is now obviously alot more than about one really embarassing loss to a good team. Injuries are a part of the NFL. It's called dealing with adversity. On a game to game basis that adversity can be more or less overwhelming but our teams HC has to ensure that our team isn't embarassed. Attention Mike McCarthy.

1. OUR OL sucks. It needs a complete overhaul following this season...again. Attention TT.
2. We need to somehow manage to have a decent rushing option in cases where our OL is overwhelmed by a better teams 'D'. Attention TT.
3. We need to see Aaron Rodgers get rid of the smirks, shrugs and pouts. Attention Aaron Rodgers.
4. We need to see a HC on our teams sidelines that doesn't look like 'a deer caught in the headlights' in BIG games. Attention TT.

I mean... really. Tom Coughlin Vs Mike McCarthy. Good GRIEF !

GO PACKERS !

[denverYooper]

There were some interesting bits on the Caplan/Cosell podcast today about Aaron Rodgers. Listen 20:45-25 for the Packers-specific stuff.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fantasyguru/2012/11/29/weekly-matchup

Brief synopsis of Cosell's analysis:
Rodgers is one of the most athletically gifted QBs but he and the offense are not playing particularly well this year. He's is stylistically like Romo in that he seems to randomly go off script in an attempt to make plays, though he has better physical tools and doesn't turn the ball over as much. As a result of his freelancing, he has often missed open throws within the framework of the play design and it is actually hurting the offense some. Cosell feels that could very well be due to the constant pressure on Rodgers. He also mentions that no one is respecting their run game, no matter how much they try to run the ball.

[pbmax]

There were some interesting bits on the Caplan/Cosell podcast today about Aaron Rodgers. Listen 20:45-25 for the Packers-specific stuff.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fantasyguru/2012/11/29/weekly-matchup

Brief synopsis of Cosell's analysis:
Rodgers is one of the most athletically gifted QBs but he and the offense are not playing particularly well this year. He's is stylistically like Romo in that he seems to randomly go off script in an attempt to make plays, though he has better physical tools and doesn't turn the ball over as much. As a result of his freelancing, he has often missed open throws within the framework of the play design and it is actually hurting the offense some. Cosell feels that could very well be due to the constant pressure on Rodgers. He also mentions that no one is respecting their run game, no matter how much they try to run the ball.

I can square that with my gut feeling that it is Rodgers who goes deep on 3rd and short when its single safety and the play call is something more mundane.

What's funny is that this "trying to make a play" places Rodgers very much in the same vein as Favre, young Favre anyway. Remember when he would Tarkenton around, even running into his own O line (we'll call that a Sanchez from now on) trying to free himself and find space to make a play well after most QBs would give it up?

Rodgers does that as well, though plan B in a collapsing pocket for AR is looking more to rollout or perhaps run than Favre, would was really just trying to recreate a pocket someone behind the LOS. I don't think Rodgers can absorb the hits like Favre could (wasn't he 250 at one point?) and thus likes more space.

Which means that like with Favre, who got cheered when he threw the ball away (completely OOB not nearly a pic from a pop fly like he used to toss) fans at Lambeau should cheer extra loud when Rodgers completes a 5 yards pass or less.

[Fritz]

I can square that with my gut feeling that it is Rodgers who goes deep on 3rd and short when its single safety and the play call is something more mundane.

What's funny is that this "trying to make a play" places Rodgers very much in the same vein as Favre, young Favre anyway. Remember when he would Tarkenton around, even running into his own O line (we'll call that a Sanchez from now on) trying to free himself and find space to make a play well after most QBs would give it up?

Rodgers does that as well, though plan B in a collapsing pocket for AR is looking more to rollout or perhaps run than Favre, would was really just trying to recreate a pocket someone behind the LOS. I don't think Rodgers can absorb the hits like Favre could (wasn't he 250 at one point?) and thus likes more space.

Which means that like with Favre, who got cheered when he threw the ball away (completely OOB not nearly a pic from a pop fly like he used to toss) fans at Lambeau should cheer extra loud when Rodgers completes a 5 yards pass or less.

And if a QB's face runs into his offensive lineman's butt, we'll call that a Dirty Sanchez!

[Cheesehead Craig]

As a sidenote: I want MM and Aaron Rodgers to remove those ugly moustaches. Is that supposed to inform us that their far up one anothers ass's? Get rid of those late adolescent staches. Their a distraction and they look silly. That's easy to do.

THey grew them for Movember, to help bring awareness to prostate and testicular cancer. They will be gone for Sunday's game.

[QBME]

And if a QB's face runs into his offensive lineman's butt, we'll call that a Dirty Sanchez!

Too funny!

[Zool]

You are correct they are my opinions, but after all isn't that what 99% of posts on boards are? I am far from a hater of AR, but I have no problem calling out what I see as his flaws either. He is a very good QB that could be great if he would not always play it so safe. You have to admit that sometimes it does look like he is too worried about personal stats. It's also easy to see in interviews that he pouts like a spoiled child anytime he receives a little criticism.

But did you say

How is it that stating the facts about Rodgers makes it hating on him. He holds the ball to long, is more worried about stats than winning, and too worried about getting hurt. It's amazing some of you can breath with your nose buried so far up AR's ass.

This is all very confusing.

[PA Pack Fan]

He has three other world class receivers? You mean the guys who we (the Board) have all tried to trade in the last two years (minus Cobb)? The group that doesn't have a market value contract among them? People love to talk about Favre making his receivers better. How many people were beating a path to Nelson or Jones' door when they got the last contract?

How many would trade half their team for one of them, right now?

[mraynrand]

It's amazing some of you can breath with your nose buried so far up AR's ass.

I use a snorkel.

[George Cumby]

I use a snorkel.

Actually, I'm so far up his ass, I breath using his lips.

[pbmax]

How many would trade half their team for one of them, right now?

Having better O personnel than the Jaguars, Chiefs and Jets doesn't make them world class. I am not saying they are bad at all, but only Jennings is a do it all type.

[Patler]

I am far from a hater of AR, but I have no problem calling out what I see as his flaws either. He is a very good QB that could be great if he would not always play it so safe. You have to admit that sometimes it does look like he is too worried about personal stats.

Just curious, why do you attribute his dislike of interceptions solely to him? Might it not also come from the coaches? MM has often mentioned how crucial he thinks it is to avoid interceptions. Now this attributed to Clements:

The message was simple, direct. Tom Clements once told Aaron Rodgers that every possession should end in a kick. An extra point. A field goal. A punt.

Those should be the only options. At all costs, avoid turnovers.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...181302351.html

It is the mindset of the coaching staff, and Rodgers is a willing follower of the philosophy. However, I don't think it has anything to do with concern for his personal stats. I think he, Clements and MM are convinced it is a mindset that is beneficial to consistently winning.

[Fritz]

My biggest criticisms of Rodgers are these: that he passes up wide open options short in favor of higher-risk plays down the field far too often, and that he holds the ball too long and takes a sack when he could throw the ball away. The latter he doesn't do all the time, but often enough that it's an issue for me.

In a sense, I would argue that he's not adjusting to the offensive line's weakness. Sure he is awesome when he gets some time - but he ain't getting much right now.

This team doesn't run a west-coast offense any more. Holmgren used to ignore the clamor for a running game by having Favre throw the little three to five yard plays to his backs. That was the running game. This could help this team right now.

Then, when the linebackers start to play tighter....