How can the Eagles be this bad?

[Patler]

They've lost 8 in a row, 9 of their last 10.
They barely beat Cleveland to open the season, and were more lucky than good in beating the Ravens and Giants.
Only Jacksonville and KC have worse records after 12 games.
Reid has made scapegoats out of his assistants.
Assistants question player decisions.

How did it come to this under a Head Coach often rated as one of the best?

[Little Whiskey]

Vick is a coach killer.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Too many egos on the team and not enough role players. Plus, no real leadership in the locker room. So when things start going bad, it just keeps spiraling down.

Remember when this was dubbed the "Dream Team" by the media? Way to crown them before they proved anything. Dummies.

[woodbuck27]

They've lost 8 in a row, 9 of their last 10.
They barely beat Cleveland to open the season, and were more lucky than good in beating the Ravens and Giants.
Only Jacksonville and KC have worse records after 12 games.
Reid has made scapegoats out of his assistants.
Assistants question player decisions.

How did it come to this under a Head Coach often rated as one of the best?

Injuries on their OL:

Struggling Eagles Lose Another Offensive Lineman

By: Townsquare News Network (4 weeks ago)

http://nj1015.com/struggling-eagles-lose-another-offensive-lineman/

Injuries (RB >>> QB) and a reported lack of effort and execution overall on both sides of the ball.

The Eagles are 29th on 'O' and 26th on 'D', overall in the NFL.

Is it here (their GM) as a possible contributing factor; although Andy Reid is Executive Director of footbal operations giving him final say in all football matters ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howie_Roseman

[Patler]

Too many egos on the team and not enough role players. Plus, no real leadership in the locker room. So when things start going bad, it just keeps spiraling down.

Remember when this was dubbed the "Dream Team" by the media? Way to crown them before they proved anything. Dummies.

But that doesn't explain the turmoil among the coaches, or consider that a really effective HC, as Reid is supposed to be, can hold some of the lockerroom stuff in check, and win a few games at least. The HC is supposed to overcome some of the player issues, hold egos in check, etc. perhaps not to the level of a championship competing team, but at least to show some level of competence. I'm not sure that the Eagles have had a single good performance this year.

I have wondered for years if Reid is really as good as some claimed. It seems to me that more often than not the Eagles have disappointed, even when they were good.

Reid can't even keep his coaching staff united, let alone the team.

[Zool]

Maybe the loss of Reid's son and the death of Jim Johnson was too much for him to overcome in the last couple years? When was the last time they were actually good?

[run pMc]

Reid can't even keep his coaching staff united, let alone the team.

IIRC, the DC (Castillo) used to be an OL coach and he got roasted pretty good last year and was canned after a few tough outings this year. Jason Babin was released and the DL coach (Washburn) was let go. The coaching staff is a mess. Not sure what's going on there, but with the death of Reid's son earlier this year you have to wonder what's going on.

That aside, they have been hit hard by injuries (I know, join the club) and they don't have the same depth as some other teams. I expect signing and releasing guys doesn't help their cap, and guys like Cullen Jenkins have (according to some) underperformed, and from what some have said they are misusing Asomugha (sp?).

DeSean Jackson is a Randy Moss Jr., Vick has either been hurt or turnover-prone this year. I think they're trotting out a R3 pick at QB. Is McCoy is on IR? Just a bad bad year all over for them, but I think there's definitely issues with the coaching staff...a solid staff would be able to weather enough of these things to win a few more games.
Think of the injuries M3 and staff has had to deal with and they've kept the train going.

[woodbuck27]

But that doesn't explain the turmoil among the coaches, or consider that a really effective HC, as Reid is supposed to be, can hold some of the lockerroom stuff in check, and win a few games at least. The HC is supposed to overcome some of the player issues, hold egos in check, etc. perhaps not to the level of a championship competing team, but at least to show some level of competence. I'm not sure that the Eagles have had a single good performance this year.

I have wondered for years if Reid is really as good as some claimed. It seems to me that more often than not the Eagles have disappointed, even when they were good.

Reid can't even keep his coaching staff united, let alone the team.

Andy Reid has indeed been very solid as the record clearly shows.

Maybe it's simply time for a change of scenery for Andy Reid; but looking over his record he's not won the Super Bowl; but has over the course of a long tenure (13 years) he's achieved a great deal and that certainly, compared to others in Philadelphia Eagle history.

** Andy Reid has compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history.

** He's captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. Since he was hired in 1999, no other franchise has earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7).

** Only Bill Belichick's (New England Patriots) have exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6).

** Since 1999, Reid has also sent 19 players to 44 Pro Bowl appearances, the highest total for any team in the NFL during that period. None of these players had ever appeared in a Pro Bowl before Reid was hired.

** Andy Reid has been awarded the Earle "Greasy" Neale Award for Professional Coach of the Year a record three (3) times.

Andy Reid has few in his field of expertise that can claim a superior body of work.

Patler if you could have Andy Reid as the Packer HC? Would you reject that optiion?

[Cheesehead Craig]

But that doesn't explain the turmoil among the coaches, or consider that a really effective HC, as Reid is supposed to be, can hold some of the lockerroom stuff in check, and win a few games at least. The HC is supposed to overcome some of the player issues, hold egos in check, etc. perhaps not to the level of a championship competing team, but at least to show some level of competence. I'm not sure that the Eagles have had a single good performance this year.

I have wondered for years if Reid is really as good as some claimed. It seems to me that more often than not the Eagles have disappointed, even when they were good.

Reid can't even keep his coaching staff united, let alone the team.

I don't think Reid's ever been good at keeping player's egos in check when he had to lead. He had McNabb for years to lead the locker room. Plus, it helped to have a phenominal DC for many of those years also who commanded respect with the players. I think that Reid needs a fairly drama free team in order to succeed. So I am in the same camp as you are about his abilities. I do believe though that the high profile FA group from a few years ago was more than he could handle on his own and he had nobody to help him out in the locker room, thus exposing his weaknesses of true talent management.

[pittstang5]

IIRC, the DC (Castillo) used to be an OL coach and he got roasted pretty good last year and was canned after a few tough outings this year. Jason Babin was released and the DL coach (Washburn) was let go. The coaching staff is a mess. Not sure what's going on there, but with the death of Reid's son earlier this year you have to wonder what's going on.

That aside, they have been hit hard by injuries (I know, join the club) and they don't have the same depth as some other teams. I expect signing and releasing guys doesn't help their cap, and guys like Cullen Jenkins have (according to some) underperformed, and from what some have said they are misusing Asomugha (sp?).

DeSean Jackson is a Randy Moss Jr., Vick has either been hurt or turnover-prone this year. I think they're trotting out a R3 pick at QB. Is McCoy is on IR? Just a bad bad year all over for them, but I think there's definitely issues with the coaching staff...a solid staff would be able to weather enough of these things to win a few more games.
Think of the injuries M3 and staff has had to deal with and they've kept the train going.

This season for the Eagles kinda reminds me of the 2005 season for the Packers. Injuries, o-line is horrible, defense can't get off the field and their offense was a turnover machine. Talent is there, just not playing like they should.

[woodbuck27]

This season for the Eagles kinda reminds me of the 2005 season for the Packers. Injuries, o-line is horrible, defense can't get off the field and their offense was a turnover machine. Talent is there, just not playing like they should.

Yup... and that shouldn't be put on the HC...especially when that HC is Andy Reid.

Injuries to starters and especially key defensive players and offensive players and/or on the offensive line will generally cause a decline in overall team performance.

Is that the fault of the HC? It comes down to the true quality of a teams depth chart. On that note possibly, Andy Reid may be criticized.

Injuries to key offensive weapons and on the offensive line:

Isn't that a valid explanation in regards to the teams offensive results overall and possibly a decline in a QB's performance? Worse. A reason why a QB may fall to injury, left unprotected.

[Patler]

Andy Reid has indeed been very solid as the record clearly shows.

Maybe it's simply time for a change of scenery for Andy Reid; but looking over his record he's not won the Super Bowl; but has over the course of a long tenure (13 years) he's achieved a great deal and that certainly, compared to others in Philadelphia Eagle history.

** Andy Reid has compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history.

** He's captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. Since he was hired in 1999, no other franchise has earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7).

** Only Bill Belichick's (New England Patriots) have exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6).

** Since 1999, Reid has also sent 19 players to 44 Pro Bowl appearances, the highest total for any team in the NFL during that period. None of these players had ever appeared in a Pro Bowl before Reid was hired.

** Andy Reid has been awarded the Earle "Greasy" Neale Award for Professional Coach of the Year a record three (3) times.

Andy Reid has few in his field of expertise that can claim a superior body of work.

Patler if you could have Andy Reid as the Packer HC? Would you reject that optiion?

Actually, I have said for a few years now that Any Reid is not the guy I would want in GB. Not any more, anyway. Initially, yes, instead of the failed experiment with Ray Rhodes, it would have been good to hire Reid. I would have preferred Reid over Sherman, at the time.

But, at about the time MM came in I was losing interest in Reid. Yes, he had very good records and made the playoffs, but were often the favored team and would lose in the playoffs. He had teams full of pro-bowlers, but never got over the hump with them.

All sports seem to have coaches that are good in the regular season, but get outclassed in the playoffs. Reid seems to fall into that category, when you look at what he has achieved with the players he has had. He has not gotten the most out of them.

Before you ask, I'm not sure were MM falls on that scale. Outside of 2010, he is 1-3 in the playoffs, with two ugly playoff losses at home. However, winning a SB as a 6th seed goes a long way in legitimizing his reputation as a playoff leader.

[pittstang5]

Yup... and that shouldn't be put on the HC...especially when that HC is Andy Reid.

Well, there's also the arguement that the HC, in this case Reid, is responsible for the product that he puts out on the field - Players regardless of who they are, need to be prepared, play better or up to NFL standards, which ultimately falls on the coaching staff - in which Reid is in charge. Whether Reid, the players or even the front office is to blame - the Eagles are just a mess right now. Regardless, heads are gonna roll and Reid will be gone - probably coaching San Diego next year.

[woodbuck27]

Actually, I have said for a few years now that Any Reid is not the guy I would want in GB. Not any more, anyway. Initially, yes, instead of the failed experiment with Ray Rhodes, it would have been good to hire Reid. I would have preferred Reid over Sherman, at the time.

But, at about the time MM came in I was losing interest in Reid. Yes, he had very good records and made the playoffs, but were often the favored team and would lose in the playoffs. He had teams full of pro-bowlers, but never got over the hump with them.

All sports seem to have coaches that are good in the regular season, but get outclassed in the playoffs. Reid seems to fall into that category, when you look at what he has achieved with the players he has had. He has not gotten the most out of them.

Before you ask, I'm not sure were MM falls on that scale. Outside of 2010, he is 1-3 in the playoffs, with two ugly playoff losses at home. However, winning a SB as a 6th seed goes a long way in legitimizing his reputation as a playoff leader.

OK ... you don't like Andy Reid as a HC candidate. If Philly dismisses him he won't be long finding another good position in the NFL. Owners are licking their lips to get him.

Why?

His body of work is excellent.

[Patler]

Some injuries, sure, but the Eagles have only 4 players on IR, not an extraordinary number in any way. Granted, three are from the O-line, but they knew they would be without one, Peters, way back in March when he tore his Achilles, and signed a starter from Buffalo (Bell) to replace him. Sort of like the Packers losing Wells from last season. Bell himself has been hurt for the Eagles, but not so much that he is on IR.