Mike and Mike - ESPN

[chewy-bacca]

there is a podcast form the 17th, its just the littler Mike, but he spends 10 mins. on Favre...this was just after the supposed retirement press. conf.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb

its part way down the page....titled "overrated?"

lemme know what you think.

[RIPackerFan]

I don't necessarily care that people think that Favre is not one of the greatest - as long as they back it up with something.

He just said he didn't think he was the greatest - but then mentioned in the same phrase - he's got the numbers - and is one of the best players to watch.

What exactly is his criteria then?

If he would have mentioned something, maybe it would have some merit - but to me is sounded like a Chicago fan who is still miffed at the Packers.

[chewy-bacca]

right, I found it funny that he went out of his way to discount that. I also think if he wanted to prove something he would have brought up the int numbers. Thats about the only neg. stat he owns. All in all I think he was wishing he was covering a retirement story.

[GoPack06]

the new hip thing is to knock Favre. These are the same people who say Tom Brady is the greatest QB in NFL history.

[b bulldog]

He has very good numbers on the pro Brett side and also on the antiBrett side. He should be a first ballot HOF'er but to me he ranks 7-12 range, alltime. That is very good imo but his decision making skills have hurt him imo. Trying to be totally straight here, no BS.

[BlueBrewer]

So if at the end of the year Favre is the all time leader in TD passes and All time leader in completions he is still only 7-12 on you list? That is just dumb.

[b bulldog]

If he has the record for most pics and with his most recent playoff debacles, I will stand firm on my 7-12 range. That would still put him in elite company. No chance does a QB that has the most pics in a career go top 5!

[HarveyWallbangers]

No chance does a QB that has the most pics in a career go top 5!

Whatever! What if he finished with all-time mark in completions, attempts, and TD also? Have you looked at some of the QBs in the top 10 in interceptions? They include Marino, Elway, Unitas, and Tarkenton. No way, huh? What if he won another Super Bowl ring?

[woodbuck27]

Baloney. Not even fried !!

Get used to ALL that this season.

GO PACK GO !! GO BRETT FAVRE !!!

[Fosco33]

No chance does a QB that has the most pics in a career go top 5!

Whatever! What if he finished with all-time mark in completions, attempts, and TD also? Have you looked at some of the QBs in the top 10 in interceptions? They include Marino, Elway, Unitas, and Tarkenton. No way, huh? What if he won another Super Bowl ring?

For real - and we haven't even discussed 'the streak'.

Where is Brett (in terms of top 10) w/ INTs per Attempt?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Where is Brett (in terms of top 10) w/ INTs per Attempt?

He's much better than Unitas and Tarkenton, and most of the other guys. His interceptions/attempt aren't nearly as bad as bulldog makes them out to be--compared to the great QBs of all-time. Slightly higher than Elway. Of course, he completion % and TD rate are much higher than Elway. Much lower than the likes of Testaverde, Blanda, Moon, and some of the other not so great QBs in the top 10 in interceptions.

[b bulldog]

iF HE WOULD WIN ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP HE WOULD BE TOP 5, IF NOT, TOP 10 WITH ALL THE OTHER CATAGORIES IN his favor. Too many playoff debacles and has too many pics.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, I did'nt start watching football until the mid 80's so, the QB's from the 60's and 70's are before my time, however, from a numbers standpoint, he's in the top 2. From a tough football player standpoint, there's no comparison, he's #1. I think that there is a legitimate argument that could be made that he is the best ever to step on the field. If he wins another Superbowl, or even goes to another Superbowl, end of discussion. If he plays for another two or three years, shatters Marino's numbers, starts evry game, he is #1, no questions asked. Marino's numbers are exaggerated because they never had a run game. He also had two excellent probowl receivers for many many years. Montana had more offensive talent around him than Brett has ever had, same for Manning. Brett's interceptions are there mostly because he is so accurate he knows he can throw into coverage, and alot of times his receivers let him down. Can you imagine how great Favre would be if he had Jerry Rice, TO, and receivers like that around him? For the talent on offense that Brett has had over the years, which has been average most years, he has put up unbelievable numbers. Manning has had the likes of Harrison for many years. Look at how good Brett makes Driver look. If Sterling or Freeman would have played longer and given Brett a chance to play with a very good WR for many years, his numbers would be off the charts. He has had to deal with a ton of turnover in the receivers he has had on his team, and, my God, he even made Chatman look like a very good receiver. Let's see how well Chatman does this year.

Brett Favre in my opinion, compared to the QB's I've watched over the last two decades is better than all of them. Elway being a close second. But, I rate him above Elway because of the unbelievale toughness he has, to play for over 220 games without missing one (Not including pre and post season). Football and the hall of fame is about toughness and consistency. These qualities are why I think Brett is the best ever.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, I did'nt start watching football until the mid 80's so, the QB's from the 60's and 70's are before my time, however, from a numbers standpoint, he's in the top 2. From a tough football player standpoint, there's no comparison, he's #1. I think that there is a legitimate argument that could be made that he is the best ever to step on the field. If he wins another Superbowl, or even goes to another Superbowl, end of discussion. If he plays for another two or three years, shatters Marino's numbers, starts evry game, he is #1, no questions asked. Marino's numbers are exaggerated because they never had a run game. He also had two excellent probowl receivers for many many years. Montana had more offensive talent around him than Brett has ever had, same for Manning. Brett's interceptions are there mostly because he is so accurate he knows he can throw into coverage, and alot of times his receivers let him down. Can you imagine how great Favre would be if he had Jerry Rice, TO, and receivers like that around him? For the talent on offense that Brett has had over the years, which has been average most years, he has put up unbelievable numbers. Manning has had the likes of Harrison for many years. Look at how good Brett makes Driver look. If Sterling or Freeman would have played longer and given Brett a chance to play with a very good WR for many years, his numbers would be off the charts. He has had to deal with a ton of turnover in the receivers he has had on his team, and, my God, he even made Chatman look like a very good receiver. Let's see how well Chatman does this year.

Brett Favre in my opinion, compared to the QB's I've watched over the last two decades is better than all of them. Elway being a close second. But, I rate him above Elway because of the unbelievale toughness he has, to play for over 220 games without missing one (Not including pre and post season). Football and the hall of fame is about toughness and consistency. These qualities are why I think Brett is the best ever.

[b bulldog]

Consistencey also in playing bad in the playoffs right?