Where's Waldo?

[Guiness]

lol, I know nothing of the private side of these two guys! Just that they were some of the best kickers in the NFL for a few years, had fiery dispositions, going nuts after kicking field goals, both got injured and never came back!

[Joemailman]

I think Crosby should come up with some kind of Gramatica-style celebration the next time he makes a kick.

[pbmax]

I second the good post comment; although to add an element of seriousness, depending on the circumstances, there's no shame in punting from the 25-30 yard line out, depending down and distance, on the weather, and on the opponent. If it's fourth and long, and Packer defense is shutting a team down, give Masthay and Bush a chance to pin them inside the 10.

Too close. Too much of a chance for a touchback, though Masthay seems to have developed a bit of a knack for a coffin corner punt; the one Bush caught at the 2.

If no FG, go for it on 4th down anywhere inside the 40 at least.

[woodbuck27]

OK seriously TT has to be thinking of making a change at kicker after another bad game for Mason Crosby Vs the Bears last Sunday.

There is absoluitely no way that TT and MM can let this serous problem slide. We need a confident kicker to go deep in the playoffs not a 'wish and a prayer' approach to the kicking game.

So I offer you this article written after the game with the Lions on Nov. 18, 2012. note that since that game Mason Crosby has been in four games and his record on FG's is 6 for 11 or 55%. Here's the article where the author promotes veteren kicker Neil Rackers as an NFL experienced kicker to at least offer Mason Crosby some competition or replace him.

NFL Rumors: Should Green Bay Packers Sign K Neil Rackers?

** 29 days ago

By Michael Terrill ... ** and ... it's now Dec. 18, 2012.

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/11/18/nfl-rumors-should-green-bay-packers-sign-k-neil-rackers/

" Green Bay must consider bringing in another kicker to give Crosby competition in practice or possibly even replace him if it comes to it. A solid placekicker that would be open for the job is (Neil) Rackers. The 13-year veteran converted 84.2 percent of his field goal attempts with the Houston Texans last season and has not fallen below that mark on a season in four years.

Rackers was cut by the Washington Redskins in August and is currently unemployed. He no longer has a big leg like Crosby does but he certainly makes a much higher percentage of field goals, which is what the Packers need. There is a good chance bringing in Rackers will not solve the current crisis on special teams as there is no guarantee he can deliver. However, Green Bay must consider this option if Crosby continues missing kicks."

Then I read the following and submit to 'the fact I'm just a Packer fan':

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21415623/packers-sticking-with-struggling-kicker-crosby

GO PACKERS !

[red]

i'd rather have kaeding

[red]

I wonder if Martin Gramatica is FINALLY healed up? Hell of a kicker who got hurt and spent 3-4 seasons bouncing around the league never quite getting healthy again. That was what, five years ago? He'd be in his later 30's, which is no problem for a kicker. He and his brothers ran a kicking camp for a few years!

which gramatica blew out his knee celebrating an extra point?

i don't want that one

[esoxx]

Bill

[Guiness]

Bill

Yup, Martin had some sort of an abdominal injury. I think it wasn't taken seriously by him or the teams, and like a lot of soft tissue injuries that are not allowed to heal properly, it lingered.

Red - Bill blew out his knee after a FG during his rookie season. He also famously missed an extra point for the Dolphins, and they lost the game by 1pt! I remember that 'cause he was cut the next day. IIRC it was the only time in his career he missed an extra point!

[Jimx29]

[Joemailman]

Yup, Martin had some sort of an abdominal injury. I think it wasn't taken seriously by him or the teams, and like a lot of soft tissue injuries that are not allowed to heal properly, it lingered.

Red - Bill blew out his knee after a FG during his rookie season. He also famously missed an extra point for the Dolphins, and they lost the game by 1pt! I remember that 'cause he was cut the next day. IIRC it was the only time in his career he missed an extra point!

[Bretsky]

i'd rather have kaeding

Kaeding scares me; he's like Crosby.....loads of talent...big leg....lost his confidence

If we bring somebody in they have to be reliable

John Kasey and Longwell would fit the bill.

John Hall....blaaaaa. He's been erratic since College.

[Guiness]

I don't think Crosby is done, and I think we should keep him around and see if he can get his head straight next TC. However, right now, something has to go before he costs us a game. A playoff game. Keep him around as a kickoff specialist. Yes, I know it means someone else has to go, but it wasn't that long ago the Pack carried 3 QB's and/or a kickoff specialist.

Of the available kickers, Kaeding is the most interesting as a guy who could be really good, but I think he's a reclamation project as well, so I think Rackers looks the best. I don't know anything about Kasay, but I'd sure rather have him than Cundiff.

[KYPack]

I don't think Crosby is done, and I think we should keep him around and see if he can get his head straight next TC. However, right now, something has to go before he costs us a game. A playoff game. Keep him around as a kickoff specialist. Yes, I know it means someone else has to go, but it wasn't that long ago the Pack carried 3 QB's and/or a kickoff specialist.

Of the available kickers, Kaeding is the most interesting as a guy who could be really good, but I think he's a reclamation project as well, so I think Rackers looks the best. I don't know anything about Kasay, but I'd sure rather have him than Cundiff.

I dunno, Guiness.

If we cut him, we cut him.

Our roster is pretty dense. Keeping two K's might not be in the program.

Cut "Miss" Crosby and take our chances with Rackers, Kasay, or whoever.

It's time to fish or cut the misser.

I gotta give some bit of props to brando19. He said to cut Crosby pre-maturely, but he turned out right, all righty.

[woodbuck27]

I dunno, Guiness.

If we cut him, we cut him.

Our roster is pretty dense. Keeping two K's might not be in the program.

Cut "Miss" Crosby and take our chances with Rackers, Kasay, or whoever.

It's time to fish or cut the misser.

I gotta give some bit of props to brando19. He said to cut Crosby pre-maturely, but he turned out right, all righty.

OK being Canadian I feel nice tonight.

I'd give Mason Crosby one more game at Lambeau Field Vs Tennessee to demonstrate 'something positive' or he packs his bags. I wouldn't let on that this will be his fate. Besides Mason Crosby doesn't feel he's in any jeopardy. That bothers me. I realize that a kicker must be in a positive frame of mind but then there's such a thing as a reality check.

Get errrr done Mason or bye bye.

It's not how confident Mason Crosby is in himself but rather how confident the Packer management and coach's must be in Mason Crosby. That confidence must be backed up with RESULTS !

GO PACKERS !

[Jimx29]