CUT THROAT CONTACTS.....COULD 4 of 6 REALLY BE GONE NEXT YEAR ?

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Woodson's has become an interesting situation. They have done well without. Will he add anything to the defense next year? Will he add $10 million worth of anything?

On another note for Woodson - two months and counting for a broken collar bone? I've had hockey players come back in six weeks. What's the problem with Woodson?

i heard woodson was ready to go and practicing 2 or 3 weeks ago. the the Packer team doctor saw something on an x-ray that he wasn't quite sure about, so they kept holding him out. it sounds like woodson is pissed over the fact that they aren't letting him play

proof that our doctor is maybe being way to conservative?

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this. calm down people. tt is not going to gut this team of talent. fin will be back for sure...count on it. dd and woodson will surely be gone though.

how? of that list, fin to me is the first one to go. and the easiest decision. today was just proof that he's been half assing it all year.

he's not worth the amount of money he's set to earn. not even close. he's the one guy who hasn't been injured that hasn't come close to earning his pay this season

[Bretsky]

how? of that list, fin to me is the first one to go. and the easiest decision. today was just proof that he's been half assing it all year.

he's not worth the amount of money he's set to earn. not even close. he's the one guy who hasn't been injured that hasn't come close to earning his pay this season

He's also the one with upside of the group. Woodson is old...Hawk....we know what we have with an ok player. Jennings...IMO he's there and the ez call is to tag him

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He's also the one with upside of the group. Woodson is old...Hawk....we know what we have with an ok player. Jennings...IMO he's there and the ez call is to tag him

you mean the upside we've already been waiting for 5 years to see more then a little glimpse of?

[RashanGary]

I've flip flopped a little here. Now, if I had to list these moves in order of ones I'm most sure of to least, I'd go like this. . . .

1. Jennings tagged (even if we don't trade him, he's a steal on a 1 year 9M contract. He deserves a long term deal with a lot more up front and at least that per year. We have all the leverage with him. I think not tagging him would be kind of crazy.)

2. Hawk will be gone (Jones, Bishop and Smith are all good players. It's similar to the WR position, except Hawk is no Greg Jennings. I can't see keeping him.)

3. Woodson will be gone (There is no way he's worth 9M/year. He's old. He's a real health concern. We have Hayward, Shields, House and Williams.)

4. Finley will stay (Shocking, I know, but the guy is going into his contract year at 7M/year. When he's right, he's worth that and more. If TT were a betting man, and I think he is, I think he'd bet on Fin being at his best in a contract year. Similar to Jennings, it's only a 1 year deal. There is very little risk. I think we keep him, then let him walk when his deal is up)

[pbmax]

Beware of replacing Hawk with Jones or Smith. Neither backup plays the same position. This has been why Hawk has stayed with the team this long.

His increase in productivity plus lack of backup at his spot means he stays unless Capers and Moss think Jones or Bishop can switch over. And Capers last week told McGinn he thinks Jones' best spot is Bishop's weakside spot.

[gbgary]

tj lang & Packers just agreed to a new deal.

[Pugger]

I too think Jennings will be tagged. He is still one of the better WRs in the league and our offense is better with him.

It will cost more to get rid of Hawk. He is overpaid but he is more valuable to the team that most fans think. Of all of the LBers I'd get rid of Smith and Zombo before I'd dump Hawk.

Unless Woody takes a pay cut he's gone. We have alot of up and comers in the secondary.

Unless we get somebody this offseason better Finley isn't going anywhere either. He's been playing pretty well the past few weeks.

[pbmax]

Love Lang. Great deal.

[Tony Oday]

1. Tag and trade I doubt he will play under the tag

2. Hawk needs to be retained at a lower number, Bishop is good but oft injured.

3. Woodson, why wont he play for less than his contract? I like the guy but he cant cover #1s anymore.

4. Bye Bye, cut before the ring ceremony.

[Patler]

tj lang & Packers just agreed to a new deal.

Wasn't that in training camp?

[gbgary]

[QUOTE=Patler;704022]Wasn't that in training camp?[/QUO


you are correct sir!

lol...never mind.

[Guiness]

1. Tag and trade I doubt he will play under the tag

2. Hawk needs to be retained at a lower number, Bishop is good but oft injured.

3. Woodson, why wont he play for less than his contract? I like the guy but he cant cover #1s anymore.

4. Bye Bye, cut before the ring ceremony.

Won't play under the tag? Yes, he will. Players are never happy when tagged, but inevitably show up for work - they won't walk away from a payday like that. And the alternative is to get nada. Plus, if they don't play, they can be re-tagged the next year.

[King Friday]

My guess is that Green Bay will attempt to keep Jennings by offering what they believe to be a fair deal...but I do not believe Thompson will tag him. I do not believe Thompson believes a WR is worth the kind of cap space that Jennings will ultimately hold. That is especially true with a roster that has Cobb, Nelson, and Jones already on it...all starting caliber WRs. You pay the $$ to Aaron Rodgers, and he is the guy that turns even marginal WRs into starting caliber guys...just as Brett Favre did with guys like Antonio Freeman and Bill Schroeder. You also pay the $$ to an offensive line to protect Rodgers. You don't pay huge money to WRs and RBs. Has New England done that much? Has Pittsburgh done that much? Sure, if you stumble on a HOF caliber player...you keep him. Greg Jennings is not in that class IMO. He's a very good WR, but he is not elite. Jennings will only remain in Green Bay if he WANTS to remain in Green Bay. If he wants a payday, then I think he is gone. My gut tells me he's gone, although I wish he would stay.

I believe the Packers will cut Hawk, but try to retain him with a reduced deal. My gut tells me Hawk will take that deal. I think he likes playing in Green Bay, and knows he won't find a huge deal anywhere else. Sure, we can improve on Hawk...but like we learned after losing Wells this year, sometimes it isn't worth it until you actually have a capable replacement in place. Hawk is a reliable guy who rarely is injured...you could do a lot worse at that position too.

Woodson probably returns for less money too. The Packers were fair to him and paid him top dollar a few years back. His best chance to get another ring or two is to stay in Green Bay. His recent injury history and "grabby" tendencies likely will reduce the chance that he will get a significant deal from anyone else. Woodson likes Green Bay. He will remain in the limelight in Green Bay, even if he isn't the player he used to be. He's a great mentor to the young kids in the secondary. I am confident Woodson is back at a reduced deal.

Finley will be treated like Jennings IMO. Thompson will offer what he believes is fair, but nothing more. If Finley wants the payday, he's gone. However, with his lack of production and propensity to yap, his market value to the rest of the league has declined. He may not get the huge payday he's looking for and might come back to Green Bay...especially if Jennings does leave first.

[Guiness]

Good post King. I'm not sure how much I agree with, but you made some solid points.

Hawk is quietly playing much better than most are giving him credit for, and I also think think his staying get healthy counts for a LOT. Maybe the team should get everyone hypobaric chambers... Worth the 7? Who knows, but I think the Pack does what it can to retain him.

Finley...I get the feeling there are too many whispering in his ear and he will not renegotiate. The question is, will a contract year make it worthwhile?

Woodson - the toughest call. I saw somewhere else that you have pay a the warrior his money. It may have been right. He brings a shit ton of leadership to the locker room. Thing is, what is that worth to the Pack? Look at the guys who by all appearances are solid character guys, and I would think promote a good environment- off the top of my head and in no particular order - Mathews, Raji, Pickett, Nelson, Rodgers, Hawk, Tramon, Kuhn...and others. Does Woodson add more to that? I'm not so sure. I think the one chance there is that he stays is that he recognizes he filled out his HOF resume in GB and wants to stay, but he's a business man and I don't think so.

And Jennings? It's all just guesses when it comes to him. My gut tells me it's franchise or nothing. Injuries are his problem, but some hungry team (SF? Balt?) willpay him in hopes he can stay healthy.