Congratulations Minnesota Vikings

[denverYooper]

don't pay attention to Vegas lines - remember that they want equal betting and Packer fans always overbet on their team. Always skews the odds. Packers Vikings game in Lambeau is a toss up.

I agree about the overbetting likely being true. However, I don't think it's moved the line 8 points.

[esoxx]

The line appears a little inflated and will likely get bet down to - 7 by game time. Far from a coin flip game. Pack solid favorite to win as they should be, based on mismatch at quarterback and homefield.

[woodbuck27]

Worst game I've watched in a long time. . . Yuck. I really wanted that bye week.

Yes we all did.

I'm just reviewing that game right now. This is what I saw and how I feel about that.

Aaron Rodgers was SACKED 5 more times in this last game. That's a total of 51 SACKS on the season and 30m more SACKS then Peyton Manning had to endure to disrupt his game. Inspite of that statistic Aaron Rodgers had a QB Rating of 131.8 in that loss to Minny yesterday. An NFL leading QB Rating of 108.0 on the season. He passed for 4 TD's and zero picks (365 yards) and we lost that game !

We need to see our team play with more sense of emergency. To play with more heart. Get rid of the fricken' sure cock attitude and realize that every opponenet left now believes they can park Packer ass's in a dumpster.

If any of you Packer fans arn't getting this? It's well nigh and time you do. How many times this season have you seen your team play really well? We're not playing the NFL lowly life Jaguars,Titans or Cardinals anymore this season. We're fortunately, in the playoffs.

Our record Vs playoff bound teams this season is a sparkling 2 wins and 4 loss's. Are you really impressed? If you are you need to get a new perspective based on 'a reality check'. Two wins in six games Vs playoff teams sucks !

MM and his coaching staff have to work hard this week for any real chance of advancing past Minny. Start today to get our side ready for the Minnesota Vikings or we're going to be one and out again in the playoffs. Just as big a joke around the NFL, as some here want to make of the Atlanta Falcons. The last thing I want to read again from Mike McCarthy is that he felt that his team was fully prepared to win Vs the Vikings and other than that he has no explanation for that potential loss.

Hey Packer fans. Let's get serious. Screw that forgone mention of our last Super Bowl victory and how many the franchise has won Vs the Minnesota Vikings franchise record. That's what I call 'Bush League' mash mouth nonsense in terms of today. That's just crap in terms of the now and rings alot like fear every time I read it coming from a Packer fan. Teens in a school yard and down at the corner store crap like that ... not adults.

and.....Yes ! Bitterness..... is a hard pill to swollow.

What do we need to talk about on Packerrats!? This is my perspective as we await a huge rematch with the vikings next Saturday evening:

Our OL has to play better to protect Aaron Rodgers and not suffer so many hurries. Packer WR's need to run routes to get decent seperation from the opponents pass coverage. ie Greg Jennings got there as the game progressed. Recall his third TD of the season moving from left to right at the back of the end zone.

Our defense needs to tackle better and not play chippy. Our ST's need to tackle better. Our team needs to get to the ball carrier or potential pass catcher faster and hit him hard. We need all Packers 'on board' with some real immediency to get that done. I hate seeing Packer players allowing yards by not closing faster and in groups to punish the opponent.

We are seeing overall better balance in our teams offense as the man seems to be DuJuan Harris who provided Aaron Rodgers with some encouraging help again on the ball rushing side of the game. DuJuan Harris rushed 14 times for 70 yards, a 5.0 yard average. I like this little man because he has the heart we need to see in alot more Packer players. We need to see MM stay with some sense of a plan in our teams running game if we're to win next Saturday and beyond that this season.

We need to see Mike McCarthy use better game management skills. I read what a poster here had to say about all Mike Mccarthy has done in the past. Well the past isn't next Saturday. He has to somehow inspire his players or we're going to see 'the what do we have to lose' Adrian Peterson led Minnesota Vikings toss the Packers collective ass's in that dumpster.

I don't want to see that happen. We cannot go one and out again this season. No... not again !

GO PACKERS !

[mraynrand]

I agree about the overbetting likely being true. However, I don't think it's moved the line 8 points.

more like 4-5. anything around 3 is a toss-up.

[mraynrand]

The line appears a little inflated and will likely get bet down to - 7 by game time. Far from a coin flip game. Pack solid favorite to win as they should be, based on mismatch at quarterback and homefield.

Normally, I would agree with you. Except that the last two games have been close affairs on both fields; Packers needed horrible brain farts from Ponder to win that game in Lambeau. It's a rivalry and Vikings match up well with the Packers. Toss up.

[woodbuck27]

The line appears a little inflated and will likely get bet down to - 7 by game time. Far from a coin flip game. Pack solid favorite to win as they should be, based on mismatch at quarterback and homefield.

Whatever that line is it won't matter diddly.

We are 'only' going to play as we come out of the gate. No good having a line fr. Vegas of [-7 or -8} and allowing the Vikings a 2 score lead.

With four minutes remaining in the second quarter last night we were down 13-0. Good communication between Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings got us to within one possession of the opponent; or we might have been lucky to come out of that 'only 10 points' down.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

BTW, you want to talk about kool-aid. Listen to Denver sports yak for the next couple of weeks. You'll think the Broncos already won the Superbowl.

Screw the BRONCOS !

That's the last team I want to win the Super Bowl.

The tough part about that! Are there any teams in the NFC that match up well enough with them to take them down?

Seahawks?

Packers?

[mmmdk]

I will be at the game so the Packers win pulling away. It has now been over 5 years since I have seen the Packers lose at Lambeau during the regular and post season (pre-season games don't count).

Like I said in an earlier thread this year, come to Lambeau when I am there and you will owe me a nice steak dinner.

I want to and I will go to Lambeau next season but Green Bay is a small town and there're some crazy turds that I do not want to know when I'd be attending Lambeau.

[esoxx]

mmmdk, you tell me what game you want to go to and I'll host you my brother. Game ticket on me for my euro-friend. Just PM with what game you want to go to and you're there.

[ThunderDan]

Hey Packer fans. Let's get serious. Screw that forgone mention of our last Super Bowl victory and how many the franchise has won Vs the Minnesota Vikings franchise record. That's what I call 'Bush League' mash mouth nonsense in terms of today. That's just crap in terms of the now and rings alot like fear every time I read it coming from a Packer fan. Teens in a school yard and down at the corner store crap like that ... not adults.

We need to see Mike McCarthy use better game management skills. I read what a poster here had to say about all Mike Mccarthy has done in the past. Well the past isn't next Saturday. He has to somehow inspire his players or we're going to see 'the what do we have to lose' Adrian Peterson led Minnesota Vikings toss the Packers collective ass's in that dumpster.

Let me address these two points from your novel (good to see the old Woodbuck back again).

1. How do teams get better? With practice and experience. So talking about the Super Bowl two years ago, that the core of Packer players are still on the roster, has plenty of meanng. How many playoff games do the Vikings have under their belt? How many playoff starts does Ponder have? How about on the road in the playoffs? How many playoff games has Frazier coached? What experience can they go back to to prepare for this Saturday night's game?

2. Did MM screw up in the game with the challenge last week, yes? But you know what, he has won the Super Bowl. He knows what is needed in the biggest moments to put his team in the position to win. What has Frazier shown for the Vikings? Has he won a playoff game?

Let me try and predict what is going to happen on Saturday night. The Viking are going to come out tight. ARod will get the D to jump with a hard count. The MINN OL is going to have 2 or 3 false start penalties and Ponder is going to sail his throws for the first two possesions of the game because he will have no experience to deal with the playoff reality.

[Pugger]

We get Al Michaels and Collinsworth. No huge fan of Michaels but he's light years better than Aikhead and metroBuck.

No shit.

[woodbuck27]

mmmdk, you tell me what game you want to go to and I'll host you my brother. Game ticket on me for my euro-friend. Just PM with what game you want to go to and you're there.

That's very very nice.

Congratulations esoxx.

[Pugger]

BTW, you want to talk about kool-aid. Listen to Denver sports yak for the next couple of weeks. You'll think the Broncos already won the Superbowl.

You have my condolences. I usually listen to WDUZ on the internet so I can listen to Packer talk.

[Pugger]

Speaking of tickets it was amazing how many Packer fans were in attendance in Minneapolis for that game last Sunday.

Of the playoff teams we lost to the only one that was a beat down was the 49ers in the first game (We don't have to concern ourselves with the Gnats this time.). Our D is better now - last week not withstanding - and they might be without Justin Smith, one of their defensive standouts. They are also using a rookie QB. Rookie QBs usually falter in the playoffs because the pressure intensifies now. We got jobbed against the chicken of the Sea. We lost last week against a desperate team playing an almost perfect game and squeaked out a win on a FG at the end of regulation. If we play like we are capable of and don't screw up I like our chances.

[woodbuck27]

Let me address these two points from your novel (good to see the old Woodbuck back again).

1. How do teams get better? With practice and experience. So talking about the Super Bowl two years ago, that the core of Packer players are still on the roster, has plenty of meanng. How many playoff games do the Vikings have under their belt? How many playoff starts does Ponder have? How about on the road in the playoffs? How many playoff games has Frazier coached? What experience can they go back to to prepare for this Saturday night's game?

2. Did MM screw up in the game with the challenge last week, yes? But you know what, he has won the Super Bowl. He knows what is needed in the biggest moments to put his team in the position to win. What has Frazier shown for the Vikings? Has he won a playoff game?

Let me try and predict what is going to happen on Saturday night. The Viking are going to come out tight. ARod will get the D to jump with a hard count. The MINN OL is going to have 2 or 3 false start penalties and Ponder is going to sail his throws for the first two possesions of the game because he will have no experience to deal with the playoff reality.

Sometimes a game as important to the Packer franchise as this one will inspire me.

"... talking about the Super Bowl two years ago, that the core of Packer players are still on the roster, has plenty of meanng." ThunderDan

I agree with you from the Packer personnel standpoint but NOT in terms of fan smack. Really will any Packer fan be so confident that that fan will pay hardly any interest to the actual game? That fan will be IMO, missing an exciting competitive game.

A game that's extremely important for the TT and MM edition of the Green Bay Packers. I doubt that come Saturday that those two men nor any Packer players will be resting on the laurels of any past victories. including those over the Vikings.

It will be that day and that matchup. It will be based in all of the preperation this week. Part of that may include a speech that includes the storied Green Bay Packer past.

" Did MM screw up in the game with the challenge last week, yes? But you know what, he has won the Super Bowl. He knows what is needed in the biggest moments to put his team in the position to win. What has Frazier shown for the Vikings? Has he won a playoff game? " ThunderDan

ThunderDan.... I looked at my recording of that play (the James Jones TD) and it's aftermath over and over and it's amazing to see it in review.

I think I know what MM was thinking when he so dramatically threw that Red Flag. He was reacting to the fumble call. I can understand his confusion as it all happens so fast. The confusion really arrives in our living room because of the fricken announcers that didn't have a clue what actually happened. I believe part of that may come with some prejudice. I reserve a definite opinion on that.

** RE: MM

" But you know what, ** he has won the Super Bowl. He knows what is needed in the biggest moments to put his team in the position to win. What has Frazier shown for the Vikings? Has he won a playoff game? " ThunderDan

There you go. That's your way...not mine.

I humbly disagree with that rhetoric as anything more than common smack talk and otherwise useless. It's a way of 'using bravado or being MACHO'; otherwise pointless in terms of what will go down at Lambeau Field Saturday evening. It's fan speak. All that does is piss people off as juvenile. All that does is cause bad karma.

I hope 'at least' that.... we can agree to disagree.


" Let me try and predict what is going to happen on Saturday night. The Viking are going to come out tight. ARod will get the D to jump with a hard count. The MINN OL is going to have 2 or 3 false start penalties and Ponder is going to sail his throws for the first two possesions of the game because he will have no experience to deal with the playoff reality. " ThunderDan

WOW! Where did you get your crystal ball? I want one just like it.

I'll predict that we'll see come the conclusion of the game Saturday evening. I expect a better game on our teams part and as a positive consequence .....' a Green Bay Packer win '.

GO PACK GO !