Ponder This ----------- Does McCarthy Need To Step Away From Calling Plays?

[son of a vic]

What he needs to to is change his start of the game script. Every week the Pack starts of with a big nothing drive to give the other team momentum.

That script should go in the same place as any screen play written by a GODZILLA enthusiast.

[ThunderDan]

Well I thought it would be assonine to suggest he give up the head coaching gig to call the plays. It's about the REASON he shouldn't, and can't do both. (in my humble opinion)

OK, I respect your opinion. Here is mine.

I think he is fine as HC and play caller.

MM is 79-41 since taking over as the head coach of the Packers.
The Packers have had 1 losing season with MM as HC.
GB has gone to the playoffs for 5 of the 7 years he has been coach.
We have been on the NFC Champinoship twice in the last 5 years.
We have won the Super Bowl.

[woodbuck27]

MM doesn't call the D (the side of the ball that lost the game for us). Dom Capers does.

Did I slam MM; I'm fair.

I watched that game closely. You didn't need to watch the game closely to come to that simple conclusion.

The scary part is wondering if Capers game planned to stop Adrian Peterson. Well our 'D' did hold him to under 200 yards this game (199) ... so some improvement.

GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

OK, I respect your opinion. Here is mine.

I think he is fine as HC and play caller.

MM is 79-41 since taking over as the head coach of the Packers.
The Packers have had 1 losing season with MM as HC.
GB has gone to the playoffs for 5 of the 7 years he has been coach.
We have been on the NFC Champinoship twice in the last 5 years.
We have won the Super Bowl.

Are you over 30 years old? I'm trying to get some handle on you.

[son of a vic]

OK, I respect your opinion. Here is mine.

I think he is fine as HC and play caller.

MM is 79-41 since taking over as the head coach of the Packers.
The Packers have had 1 losing season with MM as HC.
GB has gone to the playoffs for 5 of the 7 years he has been coach.
We have been on the NFC Champinoship twice in the last 5 years.
We have won the Super Bowl.

If he wouldn't be screwing up so much I might agree with you. Aaron Rodgers knows the offense just as well as coach Mike. When they go no huddle, that's all Rodgers. Give him the reigns, and have Mike be the head coach, THAT CAN THINK CLEARLY without having to call a timeout, because he is staring at a playsheet instead of managing the game. He has lost 2 PLAYOFF games at Lambeau, to the Giants, which might tarnish the rosy resume you submitted.

[ThunderDan]

If he wouldn't be screwing up so much I might agree with you. Aaron Rodgers knows the offense just as well as coach Mike. When they go no huddle, that's all Rodgers. Give him the reigns, and have Mike be the head coach, THAT CAN THINK CLEARLY without having to call a timeout, because he is staring at a playsheet instead of managing the game. He has lost 2 PLAYOFF games at Lambeau, to the Giants, which might tarnish the rosy resume you submitted.

You do understand that there is a communications device in Rodger's helmet. MM is still calling the plays.

And losing to the Giants twice that went to the Super Bowl both years and won it doesn't really tarnish your resume.

[son of a vic]

You do understand that there is a communications device in Rodger's helmet. MM is still calling the plays.

And losing to the Giants twice that went to the Super Bowl both years and won it doesn't really tarnish your resume.

If you think McCarthy calls every play, you are not watching the same games I do. Audibles and no huddle are Rodgers, not Coach Mike. Losing playoff games at home does not reflect well on the head coach, no matter how far the team goes that waxed your ass.

[rbaloha1]

No.

IMO MM needs to trust A-rod more with no huddle stuff.

[ThunderDan]

If you think McCarthy calls every play, you are not watching the same games I do. Audibles and no huddle are Rodgers, not Coach Mike. Losing playoff games at home does not reflect well on the head coach, no matter how far the team goes that waxed your ass.

And who designed the Offense that allows ARod to have multiple reads on the same play? Hell, almost every play the Packers execute there is a run and throw option. Who calls the formations to put the Packers in positions to exploit the defense?

MM puts ARod and the offense in situations to excel. The execution is on ARod and the O but MM gets them where they need to be.

[son of a vic]

And who designed the Offense that allows ARod to have multiple reads on the same play? Hell, almost every play the Packers execute there is a run and throw option. Who calls the formations to put the Packers in positions to exploit the defense?

MM puts ARod and the offense in situations to excel. The execution is on ARod and the O but MM gets them where they need to be.

For the love of pete, I'm not saying he's not a good play caller. I'M SAYING AGAIN, I don't think both jobs can be done by the same fella, and expect optimal performance in either respect. Get it?

[pbmax]

Trolling, trolling trolling, keep them doggies trollin', Rawhide!

The Packers use a no huddle, not a hurry up offense usually. In the no huddle, Rodgers is getting the call in his ear from M3.

That call can be run/pass option, it can be altered for protection, it can be reversed to run the opposite way of the call depending on the defense and he can quick snap it. Rarest of all, he can completely change the play. That actually did happen in the Viking game today, when Rodgers called JET! JET! 41 or something similar. It put three wideouts into vertical patterns and led to a long catch, to Nelson I think (maybe GJ).

McCarthy has one of the most prolific offenses in the league and has adapted to multiple personnel situations over his years. No performance or result related reason to change your play caller.

Early in his career, he had issues with TOs and challenges, both of which he has gotten far better at. Most new coaches have to adjust and learn. And the fact that he has gotten better is another reason to keep him in charge (he recognizes problems and can correct them PLUS is less likely to get complacent). If you want to consider the alternative, ask Bear fans how Lovie is with dual first half challenges or Steelers fans about Tomlin and meaningless challenges. Tom Coughlin needed to improve and put someone else in charge of challenges on the box I believe.

Today the extra TOs (minus the 4th down call early) were Rodgers trying to save a delay penalty. The offense, esp. in the no huddle, was having trouble with the setup and clock run the officials were using. They adjusted but something funny was going on there in the first half. Could be the crew or the clock operator. The other thing to consider is that QBs are FAR too concerned with delay of the game calls. Maybe if you have 3 TOs in a half past the halfway point or in a must FG situation, the yardage is paramount. But since TOs equal challenges in some cases, they should be far less eager to use them to save 5 yards.

[Pugger]

pb, I was wondering what in the hell was going on with the play clock in the first half too.

[son of a vic]

Trolling, trolling trolling, keep them doggies trollin', Rawhide!

The Packers use a no huddle, not a hurry up offense usually. In the no huddle, Rodgers is getting the call in his ear from M3.

That call can be run/pass option, it can be altered for protection, it can be reversed to run the opposite way of the call depending on the defense and he can quick snap it. Rarest of all, he can completely change the play. That actually did happen in the Viking game today, when Rodgers called JET! JET! 41 or something similar. It put three wideouts into vertical patterns and led to a long catch, to Nelson I think (maybe GJ).

McCarthy has one of the most prolific offenses in the league and has adapted to multiple personnel situations over his years. No performance or result related reason to change your play caller.

Early in his career, he had issues with TOs and challenges, both of which he has gotten far better at. Most new coaches have to adjust and learn. And the fact that he has gotten better is another reason to keep him in charge (he recognizes problems and can correct them PLUS is less likely to get complacent). If you want to consider the alternative, ask Bear fans how Lovie is with dual first half challenges or Steelers fans about Tomlin and meaningless challenges. Tom Coughlin needed to improve and put someone else in charge of challenges on the box I believe.

Today the extra TOs (minus the 4th down call early) were Rodgers trying to save a delay penalty. The offense, esp. in the no huddle, was having trouble with the setup and clock run the officials were using. They adjusted but something funny was going on there in the first half. Could be the crew or the clock operator. The other thing to consider is that QBs are FAR too concerned with delay of the game calls. Maybe if you have 3 TOs in a half past the halfway point or in a must FG situation, the yardage is paramount. But since TOs equal challenges in some cases, they should be far less eager to use them to save 5 yards.

Maybe he would be a better head coach in big games(playoffs) if he didn't have so much on his plate. Not exactly Vince Lombardi when it's win or go home. He's a control freak, and I get that. I'm just sick and tired of seeing poor game management week after week. It bit him in the backside yesterday, and we lost. You might be singing a different tune, if that was a playoff game they lost yesterday.

[ThunderDan]

Maybe he would be a better head coach in big games(playoffs) if he didn't have so much on his plate. Not exactly Vince Lombardi when it's win or go home. He's a control freak, and I get that. I'm just sick and tired of seeing poor game management week after week. It bit him in the backside yesterday, and we lost. You might be singing a different tune, if that was a playoff game they lost yesterday.

If it was a playoff game it would have been in Lambeau. No noise, no play clock shenanigans, no victory for the Vikes.

I guess we will find out on Saturday night.

PS- If we lose I will still back MM as HC.

[son of a vic]

If it was a playoff game it would have been in Lambeau. No noise, no play clock shenanigans, no victory for the Vikes.

I guess we will find out on Saturday night.

PS- If we lose I will still back MM as HC.

AH, we finally agree, we support him as head coach, not offensive coordinator. Do you actually read what I post?