Ponder This ----------- Does McCarthy Need To Step Away From Calling Plays?

[ThunderDan]

AH, we finally agree, we support him as head coach, not offensive coordinator. Do you actually read what I post?

Seriously, after 30 posts you write this. Let me be very specific so you understand.

Even if we lose on Saturday I will still support MM in his current roll as HC and play caller for the Packkers.

The Packers offensive coordinator is Tom Clements.

[son of a vic]

Seriously, after 30 posts you write this. Let me be very specific so you understand.

Even if we lose on Saturday I will still support MM in his current roll as HC and play caller for the Packkers.

The Packers offensive coordinator is Tom Clements.

Tom Clements is A-RODS babysitter, coach Mike is the offensive coordinator.

[son of a vic]

Seriously, after 30 posts you write this. Let me be very specific so you understand.

Even if we lose on Saturday I will still support MM in his current roll as HC and play caller for the Packkers.

The Packers offensive coordinator is Tom Clements.

My sarcasm does translate well via keyboard.

[Smeefers]

"Huh??? We hung up 34 points and scored on 6 of our last 7 possessions and I believe we were 6 scores on 9 possessions for the game. I like that production from my O" -- THUNDERDAN

And he called a timeout prior to a fourth and eleven, and then punted the ball. Then on the next possesion, when they could have a challenged an obvious drop, they couldn't, because he frickin wasted a timeout for no reason. And then the red flag fiasco should have bit him in the ass, but Mike the Ref bailed his ass out. Game management my friend.

He didn't call the timeout on that 3rd and 11, Rodgers did because he didn't like the coverage and seeing as they didn't have them by surprise, they decided to punt the ball.

No defense for the red flag. I was yellin at the TV the second I saw it in his hand.

[son of a vic]

He didn't call the timeout on that 3rd and 11, Rodgers did because he didn't like the coverage and seeing as they didn't have them by surprise, they decided to punt the ball.

No defense for the red flag. I was yellin at the TV the second I saw it in his hand.

It was 4th and eleven, and a five yard penalty is not worth a timeout when you punt.

[Smeefers]

It was 4th and eleven, and a five yard penalty is not worth a timeout when you punt.

And your point being? You said MM called that time out, I'm saying Rodgers called the time out.

[son of a vic]

And your point being? You said MM called that time out, I'm saying Rodgers called the time out.

my point being Coach told him to call a timeout, because he was confused about down and distance, as James Jones lost his forward progress spot. Which is my basic premise-------- one brain does not equal two jobs.

[denverYooper]

Trolling, trolling trolling, keep them doggies trollin', Rawhide!

The Packers use a no huddle, not a hurry up offense usually. In the no huddle, Rodgers is getting the call in his ear from M3.

That call can be run/pass option, it can be altered for protection, it can be reversed to run the opposite way of the call depending on the defense and he can quick snap it. Rarest of all, he can completely change the play. That actually did happen in the Viking game today, when Rodgers called JET! JET! 41 or something similar. It put three wideouts into vertical patterns and led to a long catch, to Nelson I think (maybe GJ).

McCarthy has one of the most prolific offenses in the league and has adapted to multiple personnel situations over his years. No performance or result related reason to change your play caller.

Early in his career, he had issues with TOs and challenges, both of which he has gotten far better at. Most new coaches have to adjust and learn. And the fact that he has gotten better is another reason to keep him in charge (he recognizes problems and can correct them PLUS is less likely to get complacent). If you want to consider the alternative, ask Bear fans how Lovie is with dual first half challenges or Steelers fans about Tomlin and meaningless challenges. Tom Coughlin needed to improve and put someone else in charge of challenges on the box I believe.

Today the extra TOs (minus the 4th down call early) were Rodgers trying to save a delay penalty. The offense, esp. in the no huddle, was having trouble with the setup and clock run the officials were using. They adjusted but something funny was going on there in the first half. Could be the crew or the clock operator. The other thing to consider is that QBs are FAR too concerned with delay of the game calls. Maybe if you have 3 TOs in a half past the halfway point or in a must FG situation, the yardage is paramount. But since TOs equal challenges in some cases, they should be far less eager to use them to save 5 yards.

Yeah, they were unable to challenge that non-catch by the Vikes near the end of the 1st half.

After that third(?) TO to avoid the delay of game, Rodgers was having words with the official going to the break. They didn't seem to have an issue after that but I can't tell if that's because the Packers adjusted or the crew/clock did. My preferred homer narrative is that Rodgers told the crew to keep an eye on the shifty clock operator , though I have no way of verifying the source of the issue.

The Packers have had issues in the past with the Ref spotting the ball too slowly but that problem would seem to prevent the Packers from running their plays much more quickly than they would need a full playclock for.

[denverYooper]

Maybe he would be a better head coach in big games(playoffs) if he didn't have so much on his plate. Not exactly Vince Lombardi when it's win or go home. He's a control freak, and I get that. I'm just sick and tired of seeing poor game management week after week. It bit him in the backside yesterday, and we lost. You might be singing a different tune, if that was a playoff game they lost yesterday.

Vince Lombardi wasn't a control freak.

[sharpe1027]

MM just needs to keep his cool. There was no rush to throw the flag since the Packers had the ball. He should have taken the time to consult and consider the options rather than throwing the flag from an emotional reaction. Likely, he will not make that mistake again.

[son of a vic]

Vince Lombardi wasn't a control freak.

I'm not that old to know if vince called the plays, but I think back in those days the qb did that.

[mraynrand]

I'm not that old to know if vince called the plays, but I think back in those days the qb did that.

Bart called all the plays on the field, but he and Lombardi obviously knew and were on the same page for the most part regarding what would be called in what situation, etc. Given that they only had about six plays back then, it wasn't really a mystery or all that complicated.

"Gentlemen, football is a game of blocking and tackling, and winning means doing it better than the other team."

[woodbuck27]

MM just needs to keep his cool. There was no rush to throw the flag since the Packers had the ball. He should have taken the time to consult and consider the options rather than throwing the flag from an emotional reaction. Likely, he will not make that mistake again.

Aaron Rodgers will ensure that.

Aaron Rodgers was wired for that game. He had to be 'just sick' with a loss. Several times Aaron Rodgers appeared agitated with events.

GO PACKERS !

[son of a vic]

Aaron Rodgers will ensure that.

Aaron Rodgers was wired for that game. He had to be 'just sick' with a loss. Several times Aaron Rodgers appeared agitated with events.

GO PACKERS !

I can't really fathom Ponder beating the Pack in the playoffs in green bay. A-rod would drown in a puddle of his own sick if that happens.

[wist43]

I can't really fathom Ponder beating the Pack in the playoffs in green bay. A-rod would drown in a puddle of his own sick if that happens.

McCarthy, and the offense are fine... the problem is Dom Capers.

If McCarthy giving up play calling duties would allow him to keep Capers in line more, then I would say okay; but nothing is going to change next year - minus whatever coaches advance up the coaching ladder and move to other teams.

As for A-Rod... losing to Ponder and Vikings is very plausible - look what happened yesterday. A-Rod won't have any say in the matter if the game is tied or a one score game and the Vikings have the ball last. If that's the case, I don't like our chances.