Greg Jennings' Sister

[LegandofthePack15]

Tag: $10.357 million in cap space, guaranteed money the moment he puts pen to paper. Number is anticipated but was published by NFL.com. Was $9 mil last year I believe.

Pack has approx $7 in space to push into next year. 2013 Cap number anticipated to be $121 million. They also need to sign Raji, Matthews and Rodgers to long term deals plus the usual assortment of draftees, RFAs and other, slightly less critical UFAs. The Packers have 41 players under contract as of now for $78,052,947 for 2013/14.

Do the math, show your work and lets see what you can do. I bet you are a Mike Sherman type of cap guy, always pushing obligations into the future, for after you leave the franchise.

Lets see - According to your numbers:

2013 Cap Estimation: $121,000,000
2012 Rollover Cap Money: $7,000,000

Total Cap Money (Est.): $128,000,000 (121 M + 7 M)

Players Under Contract, 2013: $78,052,947

Available Cap Money, 2013 (Est.): $49,947,053 (128 M - 78,052,947)

Jennings Cap Number Under Fr. Tag: $10,357,000

Available Cap Money After Accounting for Jennings: $39,590,053

Almost $40 M! Wow!

If your numbers are accurate, then the Packers should have more than enough cap space (almost $40 M) to "sign Raji, Matthews and Rodgers to long term deals plus [account for] the usual assortment of draftees, RFAs and other, slightly less critical UFAs."

Hell, might as well just give Jennings a new, lucrative contract and worry about Rodgers and Raji's after the 2013 season as their contracts don't expire til after that season.

Hey, I am a humble accountant by trade.

[LegandofthePack15]

Well, I had an entire chart of the Packers salary structure ready to go before I realized that my list was salary only. So for cap space, you will need to do your own sourcing.

But I can tell you that these guys have all the numbers, though for cap numbers you have to look at individual player pages. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/yearly/

Bob McGinn calculated that the top 20 players next year will cost about $98.36 million. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...170795046.html

Happy spreadsheeting!

If that's the case, simply cut a player here, extend a player there and do the hokey pokey. Problem solved.

Accounting, including the NFL salary cap, can be manipulated. Hell, the geniuses at Enron were able to trick many a-ignorant capitalist into investing in the company.

[pbmax]

If that's the case, simply cut a player here, extend a player there and do the hokey pokey. Problem solved.

Accounting, including the NFL salary cap, can be manipulated. Hell, the geniuses at Enron were able to trick many a-ignorant capitalist into investing in the company.

Yes, I gave you a bad number in that first cap post. 41 players at $78 million is counting salary only.

McGinn's number of 20 players for $98.36 is probably much closer to the truth.

Spot Trac has the cap number but its buried on each ind. player page. If anyone want to post the list, I can add it to the spread sheet I created and I will publish it here in a delimited form and everyone can pull in into a spreadsheet for fun and profit(?).

[Patler]

McGinn's number of 20 players for $98.36 is probably much closer to the truth.

That would leave $30 million for 32 players + PS players + in-season replacements for those who go on IR, etc.
I think the minimum rookie salary for 2013 is $405,000.
Should make for an interesting off season.

[denverYooper]

Yes, I gave you a bad number in that first cap post. 41 players at $78 million is counting salary only.

McGinn's number of 20 players for $98.36 is probably much closer to the truth.

Spot Trac has the cap number but its buried on each ind. player page. If anyone want to post the list, I can add it to the spread sheet I created and I will publish it here in a delimited form and everyone can pull in into a spreadsheet for fun and profit(?).

That's awesome PB. There's a chance could also import that spreadsheet into a db and build a page to make it interactive and updateable. I haven't done any work on vBulletin development but I'm pretty sure it can be extended by writing a php page and including that as a plugin. So *in theory* we might be able to make a "Packer Salary" tool for PR.

[mraynrand]

Manning also had to contend without a championship caliber defense for most of his years because of the money spent on offense. The cost? Two Super Bowl appearances and one loss in a Hall of Fame career.

I prefer keeping the team more balanced. We'll see if its more successful.

I agree, mostly. The Packers don't spend their money on parts they can replace.

[mraynrand]

That's awesome PB. There's a chance could also import that spreadsheet into a db and build a page to make it interactive and updateable. I haven't done any work on vBulletin development but I'm pretty sure it can be extended by writing a php page and including that as a plugin. So *in theory* we might be able to make a "Packer Salary" tool for PR.

good lord

[mraynrand]

...or whether there will continue to be significant injuries after just a few games return. It's really hard to say. A lot of people have come to accept the notion that RBs by and large are done by age 30, except for the occasional one that continues to be productive thereafter. When I looked at a list of very, very good WRs that were on the small side, like Jennings, it was surprising how few had really productive years after 30. Some were shadows of themselves after age 28-29. Not all, for sure, just like not all RBs are finished after 7 or 8 years either, but a lot of them are.

There was nothing scientific about my "survey". It just covered smaller WRs I could think of off the top of my head. But, it was enough to make me wonder how often the old Greg Jennings will still be around. I hope he is, whether in GB or elsewhere.

yeah, it's a bit of a crap shoot, and the actuarial tables (lol) say you shouldn't invest too much in the 30+ crowd. But each guy is different. So you wonder how much TT plays the tables versus the individual. From some of the draft reports about him having assistants remind him to draft guys that can 'play ball' rather than workout or numbers standouts, I suspect he weights the individual a little more than others might. That's why Jennings may have a little better chance of staying than another similar 30 year old on another squad. But he needs the cash elsewhere, so my pessimistic prediction is Jennings ends up in MN next year!

[rbaloha1]

Typical mouthy sistah worried about the bling.

Sistah needs to realize she could be jeopardizing his endorsements.

[pbmax]

Typical mouthy sistah worried about the bling.

Sistah needs to realize she could be jeopardizing his endorsements.

Your pretty good with 8 Tweets to go on. Can you tell my car choice by my 15,000+ posts?

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Your pretty good with 8 Tweets to go on. Can you tell my car choice by my 15,000+ posts?

slightly used 1995 lincoln town car

[mraynrand]

slightly used 1995 lincoln town car

Is that the Lincoln Town car from Marathon Rental in St. Louis - parking spot V5?

[RashanGary]

Thompson is going to be constantly signing guys and letting guys go. In the 7 years Thompson has been here, we've been to the playoffs 5 times. Wildcard exit, Divisional round exit once, NFC championship game exit once, SB Winners once, and we'll see where we get this year.

Whether he makes the right decision here, in hindsight, will be discussed. The details always are. At the end of the day it's the sum of his decisions that will tell the tale; just like it has the last 7 years. As he says, the proof is in the pudding.

There are so many ways the next year or two could go with contracts. It's more than I can take an accurate guess at. We'll just have to see how it plays out. He could very well stay. Never know.

[Patler]

Thompson is going to be constantly signing guys and letting guys go. In the 7 years Thompson has been here, we've been to the playoffs 5 times. Wildcard exit, Divisional round exit once, NFC championship game exit once, SB Winners once, and we'll see where we get this year.

Whether he makes the right decision here, in hindsight, will be discussed. The details always are. At the end of the day it's the sum of his decisions that will tell the tale; just like it has the last 7 years. As he says, the proof is in the pudding.

There are so many ways the next year or two could go with contracts. It's more than I can take an accurate guess at. We'll just have to see how it plays out. He could very well stay. Never know.

Agreed. Jennings could stay, and someone else could go. I saw a mock draft the other day that had the Packers taking Tyler Eifert to replace Finley. If Finley is let go and/or Woodson retires or is released. and/or Hawk is released or renegotiates; and/or contracts for Mathews, Rodgers and/or Raji are delayed until after 2013, etc. you just never know.

While a little ways off (2014?) another player will enter into their thinking soon - Tramon Williams. Last year there was the injury, but this year his play was been somewhat up and down. They will have decide between Williams, Shields, House and Hayward; not all will get new contracts. Then, there will be perhaps another draft pick or two at CB between now and then. Just another example of the constant change that has to occur as players age, performance goes up or down and money is spent elsewhere.

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what does everyone think about maybe trading shields? the dude just does not get our system and it doesn't look like he's capable of learning

i don't know what his contract is now, i'm guessing its pretty tiny, but the day has to be coming soon where you have to pay him more. I'm thinking hayward and house might have made him expendable

thoughts?