BRADY HATERS

[woodbuck27]

It already is, isn't it?

Favre in 2006 ?

Td's and Picks b bulldog ?

How many TD's and how many picks for Brett Favre in 2006?

[b bulldog]

Although most would like his bad gameS swept under the rug, I won't allow it. I feel t is my duty as a Packer fan to spout about who is playing bad.

[GBRulz]

they are not labeled.

Nor do they create multiple threads about the same freaken topic to bash Favre.

You start these threads, then nobody replies for 10 minutes and you post again saying "what, no takers?"

Someone needs attention tonight.

[GBRulz]

Is this going to be an annual thing Bulldog?

Anal is more like it

[HarveyWallbangers]

bY THE WAY, i MEANT PLAYOFFS SO YOU CAN STOP SAYING HIS REGUALR SEASONS OR WHATEVER YOU WILL SPOUT NEXT.

So you think he was bad in the 1998 playoff game vs. San Francisco, the 2001 playoff game vs. San Francisco, and the 2003 playoff game vs. Seattle?

Brady was friggin 16 for 27 for 145 and won Super Bowl MVP. If that doesn't tell you just how good his team around him was, then nothing will. When's the last time Brett could have had those stats and the Packers would have still managed to win a playoff game? 1997 maybe.

Harv, you are really childish and you are the poster I least care to post to but I'm sure you could care less

The feeling is mutual, and you are right.

[Bretsky]

Why are people who do call out Brett labeled here? Seems a bit insecure.

I think you are mistakingly using people as plural; to my knowledge you are the only poster who judges Favre as brashly as you do.

We are all willing to admit he played like shit last year. We are also willing, as you should be, to indicate part of the reason he played like shit was a broken OL and WR's going down with injuries....aka...no supporting cast.

We are all willing to admit Favre played poorly against the Rams (although they werent' winning regardless that game) and sub par versus Atlanta. But we also feel he played very well is some playoff runs as well.

I haven't seen you ever give credit to Favre for how well he played in the playoffs up to the interception in the 4th and 26 game; that is unfair. The Packers were far more talented than Phily and Reid outcoached Sherman in several aspects. It was a boneheaded throw, but one that should have never needed to be made. I dont' want to relive those scenarios, but I certiainly don't blame Favre for that game.

With examples like this, you call me an apologist.

But by not even acknowledging how well Favre played in the two playoff games to that point, you show how strong your anti Favre bias is.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I don't think any player should be annointed as "ONE OF THE GREATS" until he's filed his retirement papers. Yes, Favre is on that path, but it is also VERY possible--though not plausible--that he could reach the INT record and NOT get the TD record. Would he be remembered as one of the greats then? Is Blanda remembered as "one of the greatest QBs of all time"? Open-ended question meant for discussion...

tyler

If he's first in INT and second in TD he'll still be an all-time great. He'll be looked at as the Andre Agassi of Football, just a wild kid early in his career, who grew up in quality of character but never in the way he played with the wild, balls to the walls attitude

Spot-on perspective from a Packer fan. He'll ALWAYS be an all-time great in our eyes. But there are 31 other teams in the NFL. If he gets the INT record, there are 31 other opinions out there of who an "all-time" great should be. Someone who holds the record for most interceptions and record for consecutive starts, but only won the SB once in his career, and, due to his struggles over his last few years, never managed to get the TD record too, could POSSIBLY not be viewed as great as we Packer fans do.

Perhaps I'm siding a "little bit" with bulldog. Not in his "Brady is Great" argument, but the perspective that Favre is a God to we Packer fans. He may not be held as highly as we do throughout the league if he goes out on a bad note.

No doubt that Favre is a great QB. I'm not arguing that, but I truly think what he does over the next year (or two) will determine how people--outside of the Cheesehead family--remember him.

To us, he will always be an "all-time great". Survey a throng of 49er fans and see what they think. Or Cowboy fans. Or Steeler fans.

I think you may find the answer different depending on the audience.

Just playing devil's advocate, as I so love to do.


tyler

[b bulldog]

I said up to 97 which meant the 98 Super bowl. Brett made a childish throw against Philly and they shouldn't have been in that position but they wre and what did he do? I think he was awesome up and till the Bronco's pulled one of the biggest upsets in NFL history and after that he hasn't shown much imo.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I guess a good clarification would be: are we talking about an NFL all-time great or a Packer all-time great?

Two different answers, I believe.

tyler

[GBRulz]

Spot-on perspective from a Packer fan. He'll ALWAYS be an all-time great in our eyes. But there are 31 other teams in the NFL. If he gets the INT record, there are 31 other opinions out there of who an "all-time" great should be. Someone who holds the record for most interceptions and record for consecutive starts, but only won the SB once in his career, and, due to his struggles over his last few years, never managed to get the TD record too, could POSSIBLY not be viewed as great as we Packer fans do.

Perhaps I'm siding a "little bit" with bulldog. Not in his "Brady is Great" argument, but the perspective that Favre is a God to we Packer fans. He may not be held as highly as we do throughout the league if he goes out on a bad note.

No doubt that Favre is a great QB. I'm not arguing that, but I truly think what he does over the next year (or two) will determine how people--outside of the Cheesehead family--remember him.

To us, he will always be an "all-time great". Survey a throng of 49er fans and see what they think. Or Cowboy fans. Or Steeler fans.

I think you may find the answer different depending on the audience.

Just playing devil's advocate, as I so love to do.


tyler

I see your point Jack, but most other team fans have more respect for favre than our so called Packer fan bulldog here. That's what irritates me.

I can't remember which thread because there are so many anti Favre threads that bulldog has created tonight, but Bretsky said it perfectly. That none of us are afraid to admit when Favre has a bad game. But none of us dwell on that. That is the big difference here.

[b bulldog]

Don Hutson is the greatest Packer imo and Reggie/Brett/Ray IS THE SECOND GREATEST.

[woodbuck27]

Don Hutson is the greatest Packer imo and Reggie/Brett/Ray IS THE SECOND GREATEST.

SOLID !

[HarveyWallbangers]

Don Hutson is the greatest Packer imo and Reggie/Brett/Ray IS THE SECOND GREATEST.

Hutson was one of the top two WRs of all-time.
Reggie was the best DE of all-time.
Nitschke was one of the top three LBs of all-time.

I can't rank Reggie with the other three though because he only played 6 years in Green Bay.

[Homer Jay]

So if Favre breaks all the records, including INTs, that one stat takes him out of consideration for top all time qb? You would just throw out the fact that he is the only 3 time NFL MVP? Forgot the fact that he set all the other records because of one bad record?

Seriously, bulldog, who are your top 5 all time qbs? I'd be interested in yours too jack.

For the record, mine in no specific order: Favre, Marino, Elway, Montana and Unitas.

[the_idle_threat]

What have you done for me lately is what is judged in pro sports.

Not when you are judging all-time greats. You judge their entire "body of work."

By your account, then Brady sucks. What he has done lately is choke away the Patriots playoff game last year.

What was that ...

I think I heard a bitch-slap!