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  • Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
    how much is that influenced by INTs?
    INT would be counted as a success, same as a pass defensed. I think the fact that he is always on the number 1 is the biggest drawback to the measure. It cannot compensate for the quality of the opposition.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      INT would be counted as a success, same as a pass defensed. I think the fact that he is always on the number 1 is the biggest drawback to the measure. It cannot compensate for the quality of the opposition.
      He does mention that their defense was 24th in DVOA against #1 receivers. INTs would get taken into account there. But who was really at fault for all of the yards given up to Reggie Wayne? As much as I like FO, the author muddles up the two stats here to tell a story that Tramon is pretty terrible. Tramon's had to cover Marshall and Johnson for a quarter of the year. They're 2 of the best in the league. If they just man him up on Crabtree, the story could very well be different tonight.

      I hadn't really noticed until just now that they don't seem to use their core metric, DYAR, to evaluate DBs and LBs. The only unit they have broken out on the defense is DL. So yeah, there is no weighting/adjusting going on with DBs is there? It's just a binary success/failure on a play, where and INT just chalks up to a success for the DB. Do they do more extensive DB metrics in their print publication?

      I think the most telling piece of information for Tramon this year would be variance. The biggest criticism I've had is that he's seemed inconsistent. Not great when you're talking about your #1 CB but it's not like he's been a dumpster fire.
      When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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      • Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
        He does mention that their defense was 24th in DVOA against #1 receivers. INTs would get taken into account there. But who was really at fault for all of the yards given up to Reggie Wayne? As much as I like FO, the author muddles up the two stats here to tell a story that Tramon is pretty terrible. Tramon's had to cover Marshall and Johnson for a quarter of the year. They're 2 of the best in the league. If they just man him up on Crabtree, the story could very well be different tonight.

        I hadn't really noticed until just now that they don't seem to use their core metric, DYAR, to evaluate DBs and LBs. The only unit they have broken out on the defense is DL. So yeah, there is no weighting/adjusting going on with DBs is there? It's just a binary success/failure on a play, where and INT just chalks up to a success for the DB. Do they do more extensive DB metrics in their print publication?

        I think the most telling piece of information for Tramon this year would be variance. The biggest criticism I've had is that he's seemed inconsistent. Not great when you're talking about your #1 CB but it's not like he's been a dumpster fire.
        Their CB stats come from the game charting project, not the play by play DVOA or DYAR. And that means they must assess a coverage, responsibility and judge who was responsible for success or failure. I am sure there is a margin for error there.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • Forgive me if I missed this somewhere else, I'm sure this clip has prolly been shown already but just in case

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          • I hope that 7 seconds says everything about this game we need to know!

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