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[Pugger]

http://www.nfl.com/voting/players-air-and-ground/2012/YEAR/0

[Patler]

I voted for Manning and Peterson.

[Jimx29]

I don't know why they'd even consider having anyone else but AP for the ground vote

[Pugger]

I voted for Manning and Peterson.

Do you think Manning had the better numbers than Rodgers?

[Patler]

Do you think Manning had the better numbers than Rodgers?

No, pretty equal on the numbers.

[mraynrand]

I voted for RGIII for both

[Pugger]

No, pretty equal on the numbers.

Then what made you vote for Manning? Just curious.

[Patler]

Then what made you vote for Manning? Just curious.

At least one TD pass every game; 240+ yards passing every game; 13-3; 11 wins in a row. Just a very consistent season, game after game. Rodgers had a more up and down season, I thought. Then with the back story of a new team, new offense, new team mates and coaches, etc. His performance just seemed a little more special than either Rodgers or Brady.

[Joemailman]

At least one TD pass every game; 240+ yards passing every game; 13-3; 11 wins in a row. Just a very consistent season, game after game. Rodgers had a more up and down season, I thought. Then with the back story of a new team, new offense, new team mates and coaches, etc. His performance just seemed a little more special than either Rodgers or Brady.

I have no real problem with people voting for Manning. Rodgers had to deal with some things though that I'm pretty sure Manning didn't. His #1 WR missed 8 games. His #2 WR missed 4 games, and almost the entirety of a 5th. A musical chairs situation at RB with 5 different starters. An offensive line that had to replace 2 starters. Rodgers may have been more spectacular in 2011, but he had to be more resourceful in 2012.

[mraynrand]

uh, the Broncos' defense is kinda better than Green Bay's.

[Upnorth]

At least one TD pass every game; 240+ yards passing every game; 13-3; 11 wins in a row. Just a very consistent season, game after game. Rodgers had a more up and down season, I thought. Then with the back story of a new team, new offense, new team mates and coaches, etc. His performance just seemed a little more special than either Rodgers or Brady.

I think if you give Rodgers that Oline and Manning ours the numbers are no longer close to equal.

[mraynrand]

I think if you give Rodgers that Oline and Manning ours the numbers are no longer close to equal.

we have an O-line?

[Patler]

I think if you give Rodgers that Oline and Manning ours the numbers are no longer close to equal.

I doubt that. Manning has been Manning for a lot of years with a lot of different players in front of him. He gets rid of the ball, doesn't like to be sacked, and makes his lines seem better than they might be. I also believe there will always be an impression that lines in front of Rodgers aren't the best because he will always have a lot of sacks, just because of the way he plays. (Note: Rodgers sacks don't bother me as much as they seem to bother a lot of others.)

I suspect if they switched lines Manning would still have had a very Manning-like year and Rodgers would have had a very Rodgers-like year.

[mraynrand]

I also believe there will always be an impression that lines in front of Rodgers aren't the best because he will always have a lot of sacks, just because of the way he plays. (Note: Rodgers sacks don't bother me as much as they seem to bother a lot of others.)

yup. Rodgers takes sacks over INTs (eschewing both risky throws and risky throw-aways)

[Pugger]

Because of all the things Upnorth, mrraynrand and joemailman said I don't know what Manning did was any more special than what Rodgers did. Yes, PM went to a new team but that team was in the playoffs with Tebow at the helm last year. I'm sure the Broncos incorporated a lot of what Manning did in Indy too. Denver's division isn't as good as the NFCN is either. When it is all said and done I hope AP wins the league MVP because without him the Vikes might only win half the games they eventually did.