THE draft thread (2013 version)

[Teamcheez1]

I'm generally happy with our draft.

With several of the posters on this forum, not so much.

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Was today verificatoin that our expectatoins for Sherry are next to nothing ?

no, to me it looks like we have complete faith that sherry will be our starting LT today

because IMO, we didn't draft any LT's

[woodbuck27]

Thanks guys. Rats is the best Packer Draft Tracker going. There was no shortage of great insight and good links to info. There are sites that charge for a lesser product. You're a great bunch to hang with.

I'm withholding judgment for now. I try to be positive until proven otherwise. It's always exciting to see how it all shakes out.

Wist, come on in off the ledge and have some dinner.

That's cool. It was difficult to observe Packer fan.

I mean Mae and I literally had our own 'War room' setup and we've prepared for this draft for weeks.

I've spent 200-300 hours preparing for this draft personally and Mae has worked right along with me. She's a very savvy lady and loves the NFL. She see's things very well too.

I'm hard core. I would never believe that TT could screw that day up as he did.

Looking at the draft, as a whole.

Datone Jones ... too light for a rush DE in a NFL 3-4 'D' or our defensive scheme. look at the size of our DE's. He has to gain muscle but he can't gain speed. TT had a better option on the DL. In defense of this pick.That pick covered our highest priority need based on a roster analysis...arguably that need might have been RB.

OK the 1. priority pick>>> RB or 34DE; 2. SS; 3. 3-4 OLB and LT/OL. If TT went RB then he needed to go to SS ILB as a 5th priority pick. In every case he had to draft for:

value/toughness/athleticism/scheme

Picks at WR,TE,CB had to be strictly luxury picks for depth or absolute BPA.

After waiting too long and after trading down to help the 49ers...TT went to Eddie Lacy. This move looked brilliant as Eddie Lacy might have gone round one. He might have been drafted before Datone Jones except for his re-hab from the leg injury.

So after three rounds we had two picks and ten to come. TT was doing fine.

TT goes OL...OL...RB, 'when he decided to' use his pick. It looked like TT was making an admission, a statement that he was unsatisfied with the landscape on the OL; and that he was serious about a stable of RB's.

I accepterd those picks ... that strategy on that basis. He got arguably the two ... or two out of three best RB's in the draft with his fifth pick. Solid move yet surprizing. He was doubling down at OL and RB. OK These moves all designed to protect his $22 million$ investment in Aaron Rodgers.,

I have to go along with TT's picks on the OL as I looked carefully at both in the 200 hours that I used to build my mock draft. I actually had one of them on my Mock, that shifted like dessert sand.

Then TT's draft in my view went nowhere that made real sense. It became a mess. It lacked quality and neglected need or imagination.

Where was a strong pick at SS or SILB?

What about that 3-4 OLB?

Why pass over a solid BPA at CB or WR?

What about a backup QB?

TT had created eight more picks>>> 10 picks to begin the Sat. April 27, Rd.4 - Rd. 7 portion of the 2013 draft. TT had created some 'real' day three power. I waited and waited waited for TT to get it done. Do something benefitial for the Green Bay Packers.

Over and over >>> not much.

You get the picture as to how I feel; and I've tried my best to back up my position. I've done so as a disappointment like today needs to be explained as real not imaginative.

Today ...TT wasted five/six draft picks as I viewed it.

In consolation, I wish all those picks all the best. It must be amazing to even be considered as a Green Bay Packer.

Sorry... but I'm simply disappointed in TT; worse, his Scouting team. Any six Packerrats that would give it a real effort would do a superior job.

I'll not back down from that position. Today... was one of the worst days in Green Bay Packer draft history and I've experiece many. I've survived some poor ones but how did Ted Thompson manage that shit storm....of a wanna be draft today. I've been on top of this draft for weeks.Sure it's not my job but it has to be the Green Bay Packers Scouts job and they certainly messed up....unless they cannot influence Ted Thompson.

Todat the reputation Ted Thompson Draft Guru...Draft Genious... took a hard hit.

Todat Ted Thompson failed the Green Bay Packers.

PACKERS !

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theres no more excuses for not having a strong running game anymore

we should no longer have to (as PFT likes to put it) pass to set up the pass

if we don't have a solid running game from now on, then that falls squarely on M3's shoulders. like B said, we just drafted our best two running backs we've had in awhile

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There were a LOT......LOT of guys that went off the board who IMO would have offered immediate help...IMO starters

jones and schwenke, both there at our third round pick, jones was there in the 4th.

both were guys that would be an immediate upgrade at center, a position m3 said was an area that "needed to get better"

[Bretsky]

no, to me it looks like we have complete faith that sherry will be our starting LT today

because IMO, we didn't draft any LT's

The first dude is a LT we took and many projected him at LT

[Bretsky]

jones and schwenke, both there at our third round pick, jones was there in the 4th.

both were guys that would be an immediate upgrade at center, a position m3 said was an area that "needed to get better"

If that 2nd pick doesn't play Center I don't get the pick
EDS.....we need better play than he gives
Lang I think could also move to Center

[RashanGary]

Datone Jones is a thug on the field. I really like the Pick
Eddie Lacy was the unanimous top RB in this class according to McGinn's scouts, and a few of them liked him better than both Ingram and Richardson

The first OT we took is my favorite pick. He's a good run blocker and a good pass blocker. He'll be a tackle.

The 2nd OT, I'm not as big of a fan of. He's a project, a future C or Guard. He's an athlete. He's going to take a year or two before we know what we have.

Franklin, I think he's probably a solid player. Nothing special, but a solid player. He could be our 2nd best RB after Lacy, so probably a contributor right away.

I love the Michah Hyde pick. He's a guy I talked about on another board. He was voted by the coaches as the best DB in the big-10. Smart zone player. We need more guys who can play with their eyes to the back-field. Teams still do run the ball in the NFL, and some of them do it well. When we play those teams, we get shredded because we can't play a lick of zone defense. Either we get shredded by the pass against our shit zone corners or we get shredded by the run when half of our defense has their backs to the line.

After that, it's a bunch of projects. The DE/DT is probably the most ready to play, but he doesn't have any special quality that will show up right away. He's going to need to build strength and technique to be a decent player in the league.

[Bretsky]

I didn't know that about Hyde; where did you see that ? I'm not as sold on the LT as you are but hopefully you are right.
I still had some blind faith that Sherry will turn his game up; maybe that is not happening so the coaches knew they needed to address it
Coming out of college he's definitely a better LT prospect than the marshmellow was a couple yrs ago

[wist43]

I am warming to this draft but looking at the round 3 to round 4 trade
There were a LOT......LOT of guys that went off the board who IMO would have offered immediate help...IMO starters
however
be doing that deal we gained depth....but not sure about any immediate help

We got a lot deeper today; we have two RB's better than anybody we had on the roster at the end of last year at the position. I would have been fine with drafting only Franklyn to be honest. He's a really nice player. Getting him makes me feel better about Lacy because if he turns out to be a Sherry at least we have a nice plan in the wings

"We got deeper..."??

"We gained depth..."??

Isn't that what TT's 48 picks between rounds 4-7 the last 8 years was supposed to be about?? Is TT's goal to ensure that the average age of the team is always 25.6 years old??

WTF is he doing??

So what if Johnson replaces Ross... so what if Barrington replaces Zombo!! They're just fringe players, and that's all they'll ever be.

TT had a chance to add some quality football players that could actually contend for starting jobs - this year, and he spit on them to draft a bunch of slugs that no one has ever heard of, and will be forgotten after they're cut during training camp.

cbssportsline had some of these knobs rated as follows:

Nate Palmer - 593rd ranked player
Kevin Dorsey - 416th ranked player
Sam Bearington - 319th ranked player

1. What are the odds they even make the team??
- and if they do make the team, all they'll be doing is moving the previous years slug off the roster.

2. Odds are all of these players would have been available in FA - and if they weren't, so what - TT likely has the number of the 594th ranked player.

Seriously - Ted is doing nothing more than spinning his wheels now. I thought this would happen 8 years - unless of course he adapted as the situation changed, i.e. the team improved.

Ted is just churning the bottom of the roster year after year now - that's all he's accomplishing with the late round spitball picks.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, drafting Rodgers, Collins, Matthews, Raji, Hayward, Jennings, Cobb, Nelson, Bulaga and others had really transformed the bottom of our roster to the point we can't even compete in our own division let alone the post season. Hell, TT will never get us a SB ring.

[RashanGary]

I didn't know that about Hyde; where did you see that ? I'm not as sold on the LT as you are but hopefully you are right.
I still had some blind faith that Sherry will turn his game up; maybe that is not happening so the coaches knew they needed to address it
Coming out of college he's definitely a better LT prospect than the marshmellow was a couple yrs ago

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112612aac.html

Except for the one OG/C project, all of the top players we took were ball players, guys who can play right away. Even the LT. . . . IMO, the things I read about him, he's more ready to play right now than Sherry. He came from good coaching and excels both as a run blocker and pass blocker. Good feet. Tough. Strong. Smart. Hard working. Sound. Consistent.

[wist43]

Thanks guys. Rats is the best Packer Draft Tracker going. There was no shortage of great insight and good links to info. There are sites that charge for a lesser product. You're a great bunch to hang with.

I'm withholding judgment for now. I try to be positive until proven otherwise. It's always exciting to see how it all shakes out.

Wist, come on in off the ledge and have some dinner.

Just had dinner and feel better

Nothing can fix this disaster of a draft though... I like some of the guys, but all they accomplish is knocking a guy currently on the roster back into his bartending gig.

All TT accomplished with this draft is bottom of the roster churn, and a few developmental prospects.

This draft, outside of Jones, did nothing to improve the team in either the short, or long term. TT is going to do the same thing next year, and the year after, on and on... and we will perpetually reside at the level of a 2nd tier playoff team - until Rodgers retires or has his head ripped off by an unblocked DE. Without Rodgers, the Packers are a sub .500 team.

In order to take the next step and compete with the big boys - TT needs to hit on a few of these guys, but in 8 years Sitton is the best he's done, and no one else is even close to Sitton.

TT's philosophy is valid, but only to a point. The SB was, in fact, "a fart in the wind", and we really aren't a serious contender.

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Datone Jones is a thug on the field. I really like the Pick
Eddie Lacy was the unanimous top RB in this class according to McGinn's scouts, and a few of them liked him better than both Ingram and Richardson

The first OT we took is my favorite pick. He's a good run blocker and a good pass blocker. He'll be a tackle.

The 2nd OT, I'm not as big of a fan of. He's a project, a future C or Guard. He's an athlete. He's going to take a year or two before we know what we have.

Franklin, I think he's probably a solid player. Nothing special, but a solid player. He could be our 2nd best RB after Lacy, so probably a contributor right away.

I love the Michah Hyde pick. He's a guy I talked about on another board. He was voted by the coaches as the best DB in the big-10. Smart zone player. We need more guys who can play with their eyes to the back-field. Teams still do run the ball in the NFL, and some of them do it well. When we play those teams, we get shredded because we can't play a lick of zone defense. Either we get shredded by the pass against our shit zone corners or we get shredded by the run when half of our defense has their backs to the line.

After that, it's a bunch of projects. The DE/DT is probably the most ready to play, but he doesn't have any special quality that will show up right away. He's going to need to build strength and technique to be a decent player in the league.

so in your opinion JH does hyde stay at corner then?

cause most of what some of us have been hearing is safety

it would be nice if he was another casey heyward

[Old School]

UDFA's coming in
Texas A&M center Pat Lewis
Illinois State
Ben Erickson S 6'1" 194
Matt Brown QB

Mississippi State
DL Gilbert Pena 6'3" 330 lbs