THE draft thread (2013 version)

[smuggler]

If the 4-7 picks are longshots - which they are - and rounds 1-3 are where the starters are - why in poo-perfect-hell is TT running as fast as he can from from the orchard with good, ripe fruit, for the orchard with dead, rotting fruit that he picks thru hoping to find one he can wash up and say, hey, look what I found??

I think in a normal draft, 1, 2-3, and 4-7 are the three distinct tiers. Thompson's team obviously thought that the tiers were different in this years' draft.

If, for instance, he believed that the tiers were #1overall-#10overall, #11overall-#40overall, #41overall-5th round, and then 6th-7th, his moves on draft day are more understandable.

[wist43]

1-18 Eric Reid FS LSU Grade: B

2-40 Cornellius (Tank) Carradine DE Florida State Grade: A-

2-55 Vance McDonald TE Rice Grade: B

3-88 Corey Lemonier DE Auburn Grade: A

4-128 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech Grade: A

4-131 Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina Grade: A-

5-157 Quinton Dial DT Alabama Grade: B+

6-180 Nick Moody OLB Florida State Grade: C-

7-237 B.J. Daniels QB South Florida Grade: C-

7-246 Carter Bykowski OT Iowa State Grade: C-

7-252 Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers Grade: B

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Now that's a draft.

I can only imagine how much laughter there had to be in their 'war room' everytime they scammed TT - truly a pathetic display by TT this weekend

[Teamcheez1]

1-18 Eric Reid FS LSU Grade: B

2-40 Cornellius (Tank) Carradine DE Florida State Grade: A-

2-55 Vance McDonald TE Rice Grade: B

3-88 Corey Lemonier DE Auburn Grade: A

4-128 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech Grade: A

4-131 Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina Grade: A-

5-157 Quinton Dial DT Alabama Grade: B+

6-180 Nick Moody OLB Florida State Grade: C-

7-237 B.J. Daniels QB South Florida Grade: C-

7-246 Carter Bykowski OT Iowa State Grade: C-

7-252 Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers Grade: B

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Now that's a draft.

I can only imagine how much laughter there had to be in their 'war room' everytime they scammed TT - truly a pathetic display by TT this weekend

Can you just go away for awhile? You are hell bent on proving that you are apparently a "GM in waiting" to be hired by an NFL team.

Come back in 2-3 years when we can evaluate all of these players fairly. If a GM can hit on about half of his picks, he is doing an excellent job.

The statistics you use fall into two categories - lies and damn lies.

[sharpe1027]

What is the common link for all those guys??

Let's see: 1st round, 2nd round, 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round, 2nd round, 2nd round, 2nd round, 1st round.

Strange, don't see any 5th, 6th, or 7th round picks there.

This year?? We drafted 2 guys in the first 2 rounds - and 38 guys in the last 3. What are the odds any of those 38 slugs is a household name in a few years??

I am confused. Just how many picks do you expect teams to have in the first two rounds?

If you think there is a huge difference between the bottom of the third and the middle of the fourth, then maybe you have a point. That was what they gave up. l

[wist43]

I think in a normal draft, 1, 2-3, and 4-7 are the three distinct tiers. Thompson's team obviously thought that the tiers were different in this years' draft.

If, for instance, he believed that the tiers were #1overall-#10overall, #11overall-#40overall, #41overall-5th round, and then 6th-7th, his moves on draft day are more understandable.

TT said a few things with this draft

1) he thinks EDS is good enough
2) he thinks Marshall Newhouse is good enough
3) he thinks the problem with the running game is the running backs, and not the OL
4) he thinks Hawk and Bishop are good enough
5) he thinks the Defensive Line is good enough - 1 player added to an underpowered, dysfunctional unit?? (wow)
6) he thinks the team that drafts the most players every year is the winner

To me, this was the most critical draft for the Packers in many years - we are at a crossroads with where we are as a team.

We're so completely draftcentric, that missing on any high pick hurts, but missing on a 1st rounder like Sherrod, then having other high picks severely injured like Neal and Worthy, then drafting duplicate replacement players high in the draft (Lacy for Benson, and Franklin for Harris), and then missing on almost all of your round 4-7 picks year and year...

Add it all up, and we are a deeply flawed, underpowered team that has an all-pro QB slinging the ball and masking the teams shortcomings.

The Packers roster is just a basketcase - what a mess.

[Patler]

theres no more excuses for not having a strong running game anymore

Campen

[rbaloha1]

TT said a few things with this draft

1) he thinks EDS is good enough
2) he thinks Marshall Newhouse is good enough
3) he thinks the problem with the running game is the running backs, and not the OL
4) he thinks Hawk and Bishop are good enough
5) he thinks the Defensive Line is good enough - 1 player added to an underpowered, dysfunctional unit?? (wow)
6) he thinks the team that drafts the most players every year is the winner

To me, this was the most critical draft for the Packers in many years - we are at a crossroads with where we are as a team.

We're so completely draftcentric, that missing on any high pick hurts, but missing on a 1st rounder like Sherrod, then having other high picks severely injured like Neal and Worthy, then drafting duplicate replacement players high in the draft (Lacy for Benson, and Franklin for Harris), and then missing on almost all of your round 4-7 picks year and year...

Add it all up, and we are a deeply flawed, underpowered team that has an all-pro QB slinging the ball and masking the teams shortcomings.

The Packers roster is just a basketcase - what a mess.

Completely disagree with your assessment.

There is competition at all the positions you mentioned.

Lets wait until the season opener which gives us a true barometer if this is a championship team.

[rbaloha1]

Campen

Well we shall find out quickly if Lacy's stats were more due to the bama line.

IMO no and Lacy shall make the packer line appear decent.

[woodbuck27]

1-18 Eric Reid FS LSU Grade: B

2-40 Cornellius (Tank) Carradine DE Florida State Grade: A-

2-55 Vance McDonald TE Rice Grade: B

3-88 Corey Lemonier DE Auburn Grade: A

4-128 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech Grade: A

4-131 Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina Grade: A-

5-157 Quinton Dial DT Alabama Grade: B+

6-180 Nick Moody OLB Florida State Grade: C-

7-237 B.J. Daniels QB South Florida Grade: C-

7-246 Carter Bykowski OT Iowa State Grade: C-

7-252 Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers Grade: B

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Now that's a draft.

I can only imagine how much laughter there had to be in their 'war room' everytime they scammed TT - truly a pathetic display by TT this weekend

I just did the same thing. The 49ers did very well. That's an 0.850 Avg. A very solid draft for 11 picks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

1) he thinks EDS is good enough
2) he thinks Marshall Newhouse is good enough
3) he thinks the problem with the running game is the running backs, and not the OL
4) he thinks Hawk and Bishop are good enough
5) he thinks the Defensive Line is good enough - 1 player added to an underpowered, dysfunctional unit?? (wow)
6) he thinks the team that drafts the most players every year is the winner

1) Perhaps, but their 4th round pick projects to OC. Only one OC was drafted in the first three rounds. Does that mean only one team thinks it has a need at OC? Probably not, more likely that OCs are undervalued and teams think they can find what they need in the middle rounds.
2) Possibly. Or it could mean Sherrod is further along in his rehab then we think.
3) Likely.
4) Possibly, and they are. They started on a Super Bowl winning team that had a solid defense. I'd say that he thinks Hawk and Bishop on 1st and 2nd down with Jones on 3rd down are good enough. Plus, he may like what he's seen from Manning and Lattimore, and he may be right. Barrington looks like your kind of player. Not real fast, but he plays nasty.
5) The one player was their 1st round pick, so your theory is wrong. He knew he needed to improve the DL... particularly the RDE spot.
6) Non-sense.

[wist43]

I am confused. Just how many picks do you expect teams to have in the first two rounds?

If you think there is a huge difference between the bottom of the third and the middle of the fourth, then maybe you have a point. That was what they gave up. l

In the 2nd they traded back, and the inbetween picks only had one guy I had an eye on - D.J. Swearinger, S; but they passed on good players there in areas of need. They passed on Sio Moore, Brian Winters, Bennie Logan - I would rather have any of those guys over Lacy.

It's not even a knock on Lacy, it only has to do with the fact that the Packers are a passing team, and always will be. When I think of the Lacy pick, I think of Mark Ingram going in the 1st round to the Saints a couple of years ago - I knew it was a wasted pick, b/c they simply don't utilize the position enough; and when they do, it is out of the spread and most of the production goes to Darren Spoles - just as that same production in Green Bay should be going to Dujuan Harris.

Instead, TT wasted 2 picks on the RB position when he had players who were quite similar to the draft picks on the roster already. Benson wasn't bad for what he was running behind, and now Lacy goes from running behind the best OL in college football, and certainly better than the Packers, to having to run behind a terrible run blocking line on a predominant passing team. Lacy will likely post numbers similar to Benson's - assuming MM runs the same bullshit running plays he ran last year.

So TT completely fucked the Lacy and Franklin picks up... even if they're productive, it's production we already had on the team, and didn't need to waste a 2nd and 4th round pick on.

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As for the 3rd round, that was a complete debacle.

TT chose to completely ignore the gaping holes he has on his roster while players that could step right in and contribute were there for the taking. Brandon Williams went #94 to Baltimore; SF used the pick they stole from us to pick Corey Lemonier - guy would have looked great in a Packer uniform; he spit on Schwenke - he passed on every C, i.e. EDS is good enough - really??

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A lot of good players came off the board while TT bided his time waiting to pick the Islamic kid.

All so TT could have the opportunity to turn some 6th and 7th round spit balls into a bunch of developmental, never gonna-be's who will be off the roster in 6 months - and most of whom would just as likely not been drafted had TT not drafted them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add it all up, and this draft is nothing more than a big ol' pile of poopy.

[woodbuck27]

thats great that one or two guys say those two can play LT or center. everything i'm reading from everyone else says they are both guards in the NFL. and i don't think either has even player center before

need a center? draft a fucking center. great centers were available in this draft

thats my biggest gripe with TT. he drafts guys that are squares and have been squares their whole careers, and he tries to shove them into the triangle hole

need a triangle, draft a triangle, need a circle, draft a circle. don't draft a 4th tier square and try and make him a circle

Are you a Math teacher....Your an expet in shapes /geometry. The anology is perfect.

I'm thinking from your observation that TT was intimidated by Mathematics as so many are. Could you give TT a Free Clinic?

[HarveyWallbangers]

My thoughts on the late round picks:

Hayward last year and now Hyde this year has us going away from bump and run corners to more zone corners. I've personally always preferred bump and run corners, but with all of these read option QBs I've changed my tune a bit. It puts more of an emphasis on your corners needing to see what's happening at the LOS and having the ability to tackle on the outside.

Barrington is nasty, but he looks slow.

Palmer has the length that Capers likes.

Charles Johnson is the most intriguing prospect to me. The guy was productive (albeit at a lower level), has great measurables, and looks good on film.

Tretter is also intriguing to me. The measurables are there. You'd think he'd have the intelligence also--having gone to an Ivy League school.

Interesting takes here by the Houston Chronicle writer. Makes me feel much better about this draft. Seriously, is this writer Ted Thompson? It's amazing how many sleepers/underrated guys he has that we drafted. Plus, he was high on Jones, Ball, and Franklin.

http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2013/04/top-10-rankings-per-positions-with-overrated-underrated-sleepers/

Defensive End School Round
1. Ezekial Ansah^ BYU 1st
2. Datone Jones^ UCLA 1st
3. Bjoern Werner Florida St. 1st
4. Tank Carradine Florida St. 1st/2nd

Running Back School Round
1. Eddie Lacy Alabama 2nd
2. Montee Ball Wisconsin 2nd
3. Johnathan Franklin UCLA 2nd/3rd

Wide Receiver School Round
Sleeper: Charles Johnson, Grand Valley St.

Tackle School Round
Underrated: David Bakhtiari, Colorado

Guards / Centers School Round
Underrated: J.C. Tretter, Cornell

[RashanGary]

The 49ers started with what? 5 picks in the first 3 rounds? Totallly different ammo.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Some other interesting takes from that guy. This guy is good. Many of the guys he thought were overrated fell in the draft (Moore, Lemonier, Patton). He also liked a couple of guys wist and I liked, so he must know what he's talking about.

Overrated: Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
Overrated: Corey Lemonier, Auburn <-- a guy San Fran took
Underrated: Sio Moore, UConn <-- a guy wist liked
Underrated: Josh Evans, Florida <-- a guy I liked
Overrated: Le’Veon Bell, Michigan State
Overrated: Quinton Patton, La. Tech <-- a guy San Fran took