THE draft thread (2013 version)

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'll put it down now for future reference:

Picks that were quite obvious:
1 DE Datone Jones
2 RB Eddie Lacy

Picks that I didn't like:
4 OL David Bakhtiari
5 DT Josh Boyd

Picks that I like:
4 OC J.C. Tretter
7 WR Charles Johnson (highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc)

I kind of like the Franklin pick with the combination of Lacy. I'm indifferent on the rest--although Barrington looks too slow for me. I like his nastiness though.

[Guiness]

I have this feeling that TT is going to pass one the guys I like--even though they'll be available.


OC Barrett Jones
WR Quinton Patton
OC Brian Schwenke
DT Jesse Williams
S Phillip Thomas
QB Tyler Wilson

TT wasn't listening to you today - he certainly did pass over a few of these. Jones in particular was on the board, he was a guy I liked too.

[wist43]

1) Perhaps, but their 4th round pick projects to OC. Only one OC was drafted in the first three rounds. Does that mean only one team thinks it has a need at OC? Probably not, more likely that OCs are undervalued and teams think they can find what they need in the middle rounds.
2) Possibly. Or it could mean Sherrod is further along in his rehab then we think.
3) Likely.
4) Possibly, and they are. They started on a Super Bowl winning team that had a solid defense. I'd say that he thinks Hawk and Bishop on 1st and 2nd down with Jones on 3rd down are good enough. Plus, he may like what he's seen from Manning and Lattimore, and he may be right. Barrington looks like your kind of player. Not real fast, but he plays nasty.
5) The one player was their 1st round pick, so your theory is wrong. He knew he needed to improve the DL... particularly the RDE spot.
6) Non-sense.

I'm glad they took DL in the first round - and I've warmed up to Jones.

About Lacy, I think the Mark Ingram comparison is pretty close, b/c I thought the same thing about Ingram that I think about Lacy. A tough runner going to a predominant passing team. Ingram hasn't done much of anything since he came into the league - but Darren Sproles has certainly helped my fantasy teams.

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I know most of you guys are just hopelessly optimistic, and every season everyone starts 0-0... but I clearly remember the last game we played, and how our defense routinely collapses, and how our offense faces 3rd and 1 as a passing down.

I clearly remember being destroyed in a beating that rocked the football world, and catapulted Colin Kapnerfucker into near superstardom.

If you guys aren't looking at the flaws in our team that give rise to those problems - then I don't know what you're looking at.

Our defense suffers massive breakdowns far too often; 3rd and 1 really is a passing down for us - we can't run the ball; our ILBer's are very pedestrian (Hawk wasn't involved in a single turnover play last year), and there's no depth there (at least Zombo and Walden are gone); our LT and C are rated as worst starters at their positions in the league; et al...

We do have problems.

[Bretsky]

I'll put it down now for future reference:

Picks that were quite obvious:
1 DE Datone Jones
2 RB Eddie Lacy

Picks that I didn't like:
4 OL David Bakhtiari
5 DT Josh Boyd

Picks that I like:
4 OC J.C. Tretter
7 WR Charles Johnson (highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc)

I kind of like the Franklin pick with the combination of Lacy. I'm indifferent on the rest--although Barrington looks too slow for me. I like his nastiness though.

ON RECORD

Liked
Datone Jones, Jonathyn Franklyn in round 4, and Charles Johnson

In Between
Eddie Lacy, JC Tretter

Disliked
Bakhtiara (crappy trade down)
Boyd

Indifferent on the rest

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't like Mark Ingram, and I think I was on record that I didn't want us drafting him. I liked Richardson. I think Lacy is more comparable to Richardson than Ingram. To me, Ingram was relatively small with pedestrian speed, little shiftiness, total product of the system. Richardson has a bit of the wow factor with more speed and size than Ingram. Lacy has a bit of wow factor in him. Big guys aren't supposed to be that nimble. He has shiftiness, some burst, and that spin move is ridiculous. I doubt I'd take any of the guys in the first round though. Unless an RB has Peterson, Tomlinson, Faulk game-changing skill, I think it's better to spend the pick at another position. I'm okay with Lacy late in the second round.

[RashanGary]

Liked:
Jones
Lacy
Bakhtiara
Franklin
Hyde

Disliked:
None

Projects I have no clue on:
Everyone else

[wist43]

I didn't like Mark Ingram, and I think I was on record that I didn't want us drafting him. I liked Richardson. I see Lacy in the Shaun Alexander mold with some injury concerns--although I'm not that concerned because he played through his injuries.

I didn't like Ingram either, and I do think Lacy is better than Ingram - I only make the comparison b/c both of these were revered runners in college that went to 'chuck til ya puke' passing teams.

I expect Lacy to outpace Benson's numbers, but not by much. He'll also catch a couple of balls/game too.

Benson, Starks, and Green rushed 277 times, for 967 yds - a 3.5 yd/carry avg., and 2 TD's.

Lacy won't get every carry, and Harris or Franklin, or both will get their carries; so let's say Lacy gets 225 carries, and let's increase his yds/carry average from the last years backs from 3.5 to 3.9 yds/carry, and increase his TD's 200% over what the 3 backs combined did - I think that's pretty generous given the shaky the state of the line.

That comes out to 877 yds, on 225 carries, 3.9 yd avg, with 6 TD's.

Sound about right??

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd be very disappointed if he only averaged 3.9 yards/carry. I think even Benson could have bettered that, if he had stayed healthy. Our OL always starts out slow run blocking for whatever reason and Benson came in late with little time to practice. Harris averaged 4.6 yards/carry late in the year (albeit with a small sample size), Starks averaged 4.3 and Grant averaged 4.2 in 2011, Grant averaged 4.3 in his career. I'm going to say Lacy gets 250 carries and averages 4.4 yards/carry for 1100 yards and 8 TDs.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Kind of funny.

Cordarelle Patterson = 6'2" 216, 4.42 40, 37" vertical; career college receiving stats = 46 catches, 778 yards, 5 TDs in 1 year; cost: 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th round picks
Charles Johnson = 6'2" 215, 4.38 40, 39" vertical; career college receiving stats = 128 catches, 2229 yards, 31 TDs in 2 years; cost: 7th round pick

[wist43]

I'd be very disappointed if he only averaged 3.9 yards/carry. I think even Benson could have bettered that, if he had stayed healthy. Our OL always starts out slow run blocking for whatever reason and Benson came in late with little time to practice. Harris averaged 4.6 yards/carry late in the year (albeit with a small sample size), Starks averaged 4.3 and Grant averaged 4.2 in 2011, Grant averaged 4.3 in his career. I'm going to say Lacy gets 250 carries and averages 4.4 yards/carry for 1100 yards and 8 TDs.

WOW

I just don't see that kind of production behind that line. 40% of the line is made of 2 guys who are rated as the worst starters at their positions in the league, we have one of the pass happiest playercallers in the league, and we have just a brutal schedule. If we played the Raiders every week I'd grant you those numbers, but we won our division and play the big boys week after week.

Week 1, SF?? I think the over/under on Lacy's yardage will be about 27 yds - unless he gets some garbage time work, which is quite possible given that it could be a blowout.

[Brandon494]

QB Rodgers
RB Lacy/Franklin
FB Kuhn
WR Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Johnson (Hopefully hes a gem)
TE Finley Ouarless
LT ?
LG Lang
C EDS
RG Sitton
RT Buluga

LDE Raji
DT Pickett
RDE Jones
LOLB Perry
LILB Hawk
RILB Bishop
ROLB Matthews
CB Williams, Sheilds, Hayward, House
FS McMilliam
SS Burnett

Thats a damn fine starting lineup if you ask me

[pbmax]

16th most attempts in the NFL last year with Benson/Green/Starks/Harris starting. I think Lacy might get as many. I am not worried about the rushing attempts. The O line needs to get healthy and it would be great if EDS was either replaced by a 5th round pick or beat him outright. Because production would be light years ahead of last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Interesting stat regarding trading down:

The third day of the draft is where you make your team, and here's the evidence: All five clubs that entered Saturday with seven or more choices were playoff teams in 2012. Six of the seven clubs with three or fewer were not.

[LEWCWA]

I really get a kick outta all this. You have to remember that GB overhauled on D last year...like 6 picks in a row on D....You have to assume these players will be better this year....plus he gave them another piece in the first round this year....TT has stocked the D, now the players have to perform....most rookies don't do much, so I have opptimism that the d will improve. Burnett should be better as well. It is the year he should make a big step toward being a probowl type player....

[Brandon494]

I wonder if they will move Buluga to LT and give one of the rookies at shot at RT? Or Lang to RT and one of the rookies to LG?