THE draft thread (2013 version)

[RashanGary]

Pitt two gapped all along their 30 front. LeBeau likes to play it super conservative on his down lineman. They also did it bc they had the troops to get 2 gapping done. That may change with Hampton gone, Keisel in his final years, etc.

GB only two gaps at the zero tech. When Raji moves to a 5 tech, he one gaps. Very few GBP DLineman CAN two gap. The NFL rule of thumb is usually if you have a hand in the dirt guy who can two gap, you do it. Haloti Ngata two gaps regardless of his technique. Because he can do it.

Whoa! Does Pickett always 2-gap?

[KYPack]

Whoa! Does Pickett always 2-gap?

No.

When he plays 5 tech, he one gaps.

Capers only two gaps from his zero tech guy.

[wist43]

It does kind of seem counterproductive for Ted to use his team of nfl scouts, weeks of game tape analysis, personal interviews, personal workouts, and considerable other resources to draft a dozen JAGs when he had numerous chances to pick the future hall of famer from Missouri Southern State that you watched a youtube video of.

Williams and Schwenke were drafted before your guys for a reason. Boyd might not even make the team... my good man, he had all of 2 1/2 TFL's last season. Jones had 19.

We're talking about completely different caliber of player. Williams is a legit trench player - nobody doubts that. A lot of people have doubts that Boyd is even a rosterable player. I watched the Senior Bowl practices and game of Boyd, and another MSU game... pretty sure he can't 2-gap or hold up against double teams. He might not make the roster.

That's the difference between what you and I are talking about. Arthur Brown, Sio Moore, Bennie Logan, Brian Winters, Hugh Thorton, Corey Lemonier, Alex Okafor, Barrett Jones... those are a lot of players to pass over for the muslim guy and JC Tretter - who you want to project to another position. Then you want to move this guy here, and that guy there... seems like a lot of unknown moving parts. What could possibly go wrong??

Sounds like a pretty dicey approach to protecting your $100 million investment?? 51 sacks?? ouch

[3irty1]

Hahaha your boy played in DII MIAA, Boyd played in the SEC and you want to compare their stats. That is beyond retarded wist, even for your usual brand of Skip-Bayless-in-a-vodka-soaked-depression sensationalism.

[run pMc]

I'm warming up to the draft picks.
Datone Jones doesn't wow me, but we needed more troops at the DL, and he's a bigger leaner guy -- again, something the DL needed. They had a lot of squatty guys. Boyd was kind of a sleeper for some people and I think they want to try him inside first but if he's another C.J. Wilson that's not horrible in terms of run defense. Not expecting a whole lot of 'wow' plays from Boyd, but if he can do his job and tie up blockers so the LBs can smash someone that's not awful.

I don't think Lacy gets more than 180 carries; he has to get pass pro down, he has to beat out a crowded stable of backs. He and Franklin raise the quality of competition, and an improved running game (or the threat thereof) will help as much as anything to keep the passing game humming along. The injury history thing with Lacy is another concern; I'm not sure he can take 16+ games of 20 carries. For that reason, taking Franklin is a nice handcuff move. Again, this assumes both are on the roster opening day -- a good bet, considering their draft status and the preexisting stable of backs.

The OL picks are for depth and improve the level of competition. Pushing the starters and providing depth that's a cut above UDFA's is a plus. I don't like Bulaga moving to LT -- I think he should stay RT. He has had trouble with speed rushers going back to his college days and I think playing LT would really expose that. I'll be really curious to see where they put Bahktiari and Tretter -- that will tell us a lot about where the team thinks they can play and help best.

The WR picks are...well, they're R7 picks so I'm not expecting much. I was hoping they'd go for a WR much earlier, but based on the measurables alone -- which is a horrible thing to do -- they sound like they were good value. The Maryland WR supposedly had so much turnover at QB that even Rico Dynamite's time machine got a chance at snaps.

Don't know a thing about the OLB (Palmer?) so I have no comment other than they needed more competition there. They only have Matthews, Perry, and Moses at OLB. One of the UDFA's -- Mulumba or whatever -- supposedly is kind of a sleeper and I could see him becoming this year's So'oto. The Barrington kid is supposedly kind of a knucklehead but a pretty good player. He'll play ST and push for time. If nothing else he's bigger than D.J.Smith.

Some other teams seem to have really done well and drafted a lot of "name" players, so it's tempting to think they did better. I'm not a scout so I can't say I'm smarter than they are, but I do know that 3 years from now we'll know if these guys are any good or not.

[3irty1]

And yeah, you said yourself they draft for versatility. Gee I wonder if they want them to play multiple positions. Most of the guys on our roster were left tackles in college, and so were the two guys picked up this year. Clearly most of them change positions so I don't know why you're pretending its even remotely sketchy.

[woodbuck27]

Hahaha your boy played in DII MIAA, Boyd played in the SEC and you want to compare their stats. That is beyond retarded wist, even for your usual brand of Skip-Bayless-in-a-vodka-soaked-depression sensationalism.

Hey man. Your way too smart for this:

I'll omit a few names of fellas above that all went much earlier than when TT selected DE Josh Boyd.

Arthur Brown, Bennie Logan, Brian Winters, Corey Lemonier, Alex Okafor, Barrett Jones or:

TT's pick of DE Josh Boyd Rd. 5 (Pick 167 overall)

Why are we even wanting to look at any comparison? Why waste that time? Clearly the players above are more solid projections into the NFL.

TT had a focus in that draft that didn't have alot to do with growing where we're obviously 'still' weakest:

DEFENSE

Did you not see how we did last year against 'serious' Super Bowl contenders? I did and we got our asses handed to us.

The San Francisco 49ers were much more competitive that us last year and this off season their kicking TT's ass. It's not even close now.

Damn... to be straight up. The Minnesota Vikings are licking TT's ass this off season. They had 'arguably' the best draft of all 32 teams. That's ** two very solid drafts in consecutive years for Minny.

**Are you paying attention to that fact Packer fans?

Add the Seahawks and their Off Season. That thank goodness, fell off somewhat in this draft.

Check out the Bears results in this draft.They did very well in my view but opinions on that are mixed. Inspite of that the Bears graded out at least as well as the Packers.

The Packers were just ahead of Minny and the Bears last season and both of those teams are certinly addressing that fact in this of season. The Packers...not so much. The Packers are relying on time and healing and the status quo. That adversity will ease up in 2013. That a playoff berth will lead to good fortune and a deep run in the playoffs.

This draft for TT could best be described as:

STRANGE. Too weird. I'll be very kind...puzzling.

That draft by TT was a certain head scratcher. It's like he was under some serious strain. As Packer fans we might look at this draft in a certain light of reality and be very concerned for the team and Ted Thompson.

Why so many members of Packerrats don't get it (see this) amazes me.

Are posters like Wist43 and I supposed to be excited or brain washed?

Forget that bullshit. We see it clearly as it is. We post with nothing but real concern.

Wist43 and I really care.

PACKERS!

[rbaloha1]

woodbuck27,

I share your Packer passion and courage to continually bring up the niner game debacle. Too many posters had many excuses like only six days to prepare, gimmick/trendy offense (just like the wildcat), fluke, etc. etc. Other posters recognized the immense defensive problems but were crucified by apologists (not analysis).

IMO TT addressed the overall team toughness issue with bringing in these type of players across the roster. While I wanted more front seven help at least there are a few players that could be part of a rotation. Several players with little playing time could step-up.

Capers ego has been destroyed. Hopefully he found some schemes that could work against the niners.

Woodbuck27, can we wait until the niner opener before we trash or praise TT's draft and lack of free agent moves to address the front seven?

[woodbuck27]

woodbuck27,

I share your Packer passion and courage to continually bring up the niner game debacle. Too many posters had many excuses like only six days to prepare, gimmick/trendy offense (just like the wildcat), fluke, etc. etc. Other posters recognized the immense defensive problems but were crucified by apologists (not analysis).

IMO TT addressed the overall team toughness issue with bringing in these type of players across the roster. While I wanted more front seven help at least there are a few players that could be part of a rotation. Several players with little playing time could step-up.

Capers ego has been destroyed. Hopefully he found some schemes that could work against the niners.

Woodbuck27, can we wait until the niner opener before we trash or praise TT's draft and lack of free agent moves to address the front seven?

First of all Packer fan. Your posting here >>> Impressive now. Congratulations.

It takes some time to fit in if you feel any need to embrace 'the clique'. My advice... take them with a grain of salt and defend your observations as merited.

I enjoyed your contributions to the Draft thread. Especially when it was, IMO getting very strange on Saturday. Those of us that were here; felt TT's draft really know.The peanut gallery...pffffftt. It's easy to make generalizations when your 'a homer'. Easy to make generalizations when you don't have a clue as to the merits or not of the argument.

Ignorance is bliss.

Out front:

You belong here and forget the posters that are blind to anything even approaching real. Forget the 'homers' here. They cannot see much past anything, not Green and Gold.

OK to your suggestion. Please... don't get me wrong. I'm by nature analytical. The bottom line ...'just' like Wist43 ... a solid and concerned Green Bay Packer fan. Posters like Wist43 and I have thick skin. We certainly believe in our stances and thus cannot back off....demonstrate such weakness.

As to the prospects that Ted Thompson selected.

Our teams Draft Class and infusion of lifeblood. I'm totally pulling for every one of them. At the same time know that of the eleven men TT picked. Most won't make any real contribution. Certainly not based in their resume's. Yet, sometimes we cannot account for heart and determination. I wish them all well.

One more thing and Packerrats:

It's 'only' tough here if you miss the obvious. I've suffered the ultimate insult here as a 50 plus year Packer fan. I've read stuff from homers here... inferring that I'm a TROLL. Some here love to throw stones. My advice... ignore their ignorance. Ignore their obvious stupidity and arrogance. Ignore their slide ways.

I don't take that (my own) advice. I'm a realist.

Encountering such ignorance is a part of living life's challenge. I've never been 'a turn the other cheek' guy. I'm an 'in your face' guy. Bring shit down on me and you get something you don't need back.

It takes 'skill and integrity' to show them up for what they are. A definite style. The bottom line overall; their hardly worth the spit. There's the rub and the caution.

At Packerrats...there are NO leaders.

We have a benevolent/fair/owner/leader... that sometimes has to deal with over the top, too much crap; I'm 'just' guessing. I'm sure he takes it all the best he can and in stride. It's one of those 'it comes with the territory' things. Some posters cannot get out of their own way and merely imagine they're more important than the rest of us. I assure of this. I never complain to a soul here. I merely defend myself / my positions as I feel necessary.

Brush those posters off with 'your honesty...your strength and integrity'. Don't ever let any of them get inside of you. Best poicy again...ignore them. There's not many left anyway. That kind usually comes and goes when their frustration level exceeds themselves.

Some hang on as it's in their nature to try to dominate and force their agenda's on the whole. Usually their exposed; lack any punch.

Be your 'own man' with 'a good style'. **Post with goodness.

** Just where your at now.

BE all about this:

GO PACK GO !

[wist43]

Hahaha your boy played in DII MIAA, Boyd played in the SEC and you want to compare their stats. That is beyond retarded wist, even for your usual brand of Skip-Bayless-in-a-vodka-soaked-depression sensationalism.

I didn't say anything about Williams stats - Jones had 19 TFL's.

Williams outperformed Boyd at the Senior Bowl, and nobody would argue otherwise. He's much bigger, stronger, and more athletic.

Take some time to watch games of Boyd... he's invisible. That's what you guys seem to like in your linemen though - invisibility isn't on my checklist.

[woodbuck27]

Packers GM Ted Thompson speaks briefly to the media after the draft:

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Ted-Thompson-2013-Draft-increases-competition/0da085ab-d3b9-4592-bc87-15ceb830ae5c

GO PACK GO !

[wist43]

And yeah, you said yourself they draft for versatility. Gee I wonder if they want them to play multiple positions. Most of the guys on our roster were left tackles in college, and so were the two guys picked up this year. Clearly most of them change positions so I don't know why you're pretending its even remotely sketchy.

They do draft "versatile" lineman... but I've never liked it. You need a guard, at least make sure you're drafting a guard. If he can play C or OT is incidental to what I'm trying accomplish, which is to put a quality guard in the lineup. Same holds for the other positions - TT has never, get that - never, drafted a center.

You wonder why our OL has been in constant upheavel since TT and MM arrived?? And what good play we did get out of the line had a lot to do with offensive linemen they inherited, Clifton and Wells. Now that those 2 are gone - LT and C are a mess.

Yeah, "versatility" has served us well hasn't it?? Everyone agrees that Green Bay has now, and has had for years, a lot of problems on the OL. This nonsense has been going on for 8 years now - we've never had a good line since TT has been here.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2013/4/27/4275760/green-bay-packers-picks-2013-nfl-draft

Green Bay Packers draft: Complete list of picks

By Kevin McCauley on Apr 27 2013, 5:53PM

Here is the full Packers' Draft board.

Round Pick # Overall Selection

1 26 26 Datone Jones, DE, UCLA

2 29 61 Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama

4 12 109 David Bakhtiari, T, Colorado
4 25 122 J.C. Tretter, G/T, Cornell
4 28 125 Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

5 26 159 Micah Hyde, DB, Iowa
5 34 167 Josh Boyd, DT, Mississippi State

6 25 193 Nate Palmer, OLB, Illinois State

7 10 216 Charles Johnson, WR, Grand Valley State
7 18 224 Kevin Dorsey, WR, Maryland
7 26 232 Sam Barrington, LB, South Florida

GO PACKERS !

[Bretsky]

I'm on record as not being fond of the Boyd pick although I hope I'm wrong.
I really do hate the trade down from round three though; I think a bunch of guys were snatched up before us that could have offered up immediate impact. I think the upside is low for Boyd. We'll get what we'll get. Another big body to throw into the mix that can give our guys some rest.

Overall I"m ok with this draft.

IF the rats truly want to go on record, we should create our own draft.....list every pick we'd have made in TT's spot. And make the trade down from round 3 optional. Either you take the picks or not.

Anybody want to give it a try ??

[gbgary]

I really do hate the trade down from round three though; I think a bunch of guys were snatched up before us that could have offered up immediate impact.

Overall I"m ok with this draft.

i agree with this.