THE draft thread (2013 version)

[Guiness]

IF the rats truly want to go on record, we should create our own draft.....list every pick we'd have made in TT's spot. And make the trade down from round 3 optional. Either you take the picks or not.

Anybody want to give it a try ??

Interesting.

I'm not enough of a draftnick to pick all the way down to the 7th round, but I'll chime in on some of the earlier ones, and I won't trade.

R1 - I would have gone with Cyprien, but I like the Datone pick and think it was a better choice
R2 - Lacy
R3 (88) - A couple of players I like here. Barrett Jones, and Matt Barkley. I thought Barkley had fallen enough to make him a good pick
R4 (122 and 125) - I like the Franklin pick, I don't know why he was still there. Not so much the Tretter pick. I'm sure when these picks came up TT was wishing he had the R2 pick back. On the board at this point is Gholston (taken with next pick), Quinton Patton and Williams, the big Alabama DT, all intriguing players.

[KYPack]

I'm on record as not being fond of the Boyd pick although I hope I'm wrong.
I really do hate the trade down from round three though; I think a bunch of guys were snatched up before us that could have offered up immediate impact. I think the upside is low for Boyd. We'll get what we'll get. Another big body to throw into the mix that can give our guys some rest.

Overall I'm ok with this draft.

Yeah, for what I can understand of the draft, this was a good one.

The trade down was painful.

But...

Everybody said the middle of the draft was target rich.

We had to give up something to get those extra mid picks.

So, we did.

It stung a little bit , but we may have really scored with TT's strategy.

[3irty1]

I didn't say anything about Williams stats - Jones had 19 TFL's.

Williams outperformed Boyd at the Senior Bowl, and nobody would argue otherwise. He's much bigger, stronger, and more athletic.

Take some time to watch games of Boyd... he's invisible. That's what you guys seem to like in your linemen though - invisibility isn't on my checklist.

Williams certainly has a rare game I won't fight you on that. Dudes that big with that kind pop off the line are not normal. But the fact that he exists doesn't take away from Boyd especially since you're mostly into Williams so much because you're looking to replace Raji because of your perception that he's a lousy nose tackle. I've never known you to change your mind so I won't argue with that again but its not a popular view. I'm not really looking to replace Raji with a diet version of the same thing.

[Joemailman]

The only thing I can definitely say I would have done differently is I would have drafted Quinton Patton instead of one of the O-linemen in the 4th round.

[wist43]

Williams certainly has a rare game I won't fight you on that. Dudes that big with that kind pop off the line are not normal. But the fact that he exists doesn't take away from Boyd especially since you're mostly into Williams so much because you're looking to replace Raji because of your perception that he's a lousy nose tackle. I've never known you to change your mind so I won't argue with that again but its not a popular view. I'm not really looking to replace Raji with a diet version of the same thing.

I don't want to replace Raji - I want to maximize his talent... which means getting him off the nose.

I wouldn't be looking for pass rush out of Williams - I'd want him to eat offensive lineman alive and beat the hell out of any running back in his zip code.

Boyd is just another one of these generic DT's who lacks any special talent that would set him apart. Williams on the other hand possesses special traits that make him much more valuable.

What we're arguing about here, is the muslim guy and Boyd, worth Williams. IMO, not even close.

[Joemailman]

I don't want to replace Raji - I want to maximize his talent... which means getting him off the nose.

I wouldn't be looking for pass rush out of Williams - I'd want him to eat offensive lineman alive and beat the hell out of any running back in his zip code.

Boyd is just another one of these generic DT's who lacks any special talent that would set him apart. Williams on the other hand possesses special traits that make him much more valuable.

What we're arguing about here, is the muslim guy and Boyd, worth Williams. IMO, not even close.

Perhaps TT shared your concern expressed last week that Williams' thin legs would lead to injury. Every GM in the league passed on him 4 times. There must be some reason why a guy thought at one time to be a late 1st/early 2nd pick was still available in the 5th round.

[rbaloha1]

Perhaps TT shared your concern expressed last week that Williams' thin legs would lead to injury. Every GM in the league passed on him 4 times. There must be some reason why a guy thought at one time to be a late 1st/early 2nd pick was still available in the 5th round.

Raji dominates inferior linemen but gets dominated by pro bowl caliber linemen.

Hopefully Boyd emerges as Raji's replacement.

[3irty1]

I don't want to replace Raji - I want to maximize his talent... which means getting him off the nose.

I wouldn't be looking for pass rush out of Williams - I'd want him to eat offensive lineman alive and beat the hell out of any running back in his zip code.

Boyd is just another one of these generic DT's who lacks any special talent that would set him apart. Williams on the other hand possesses special traits that make him much more valuable.

What we're arguing about here, is the muslim guy and Boyd, worth Williams. IMO, not even close.

Seems to me like Williams is is a poor man's Raji. Both a big blobs but with enough explosion to get after the passer. Raji has some better movement skills and a lot more big boy experience but they're in the same mold. What makes you think what's right for Williams is wrong for Raji?

What sets Boyd apart for me is motor, lateral movement, and his quickness with his hands. He's not a super sexy freak of nature like Williams or Dontari Poe last year but I do think he's got the skill set to perform well above his pay check and is a damn near perfect fit for LDE in our scheme. If moving Raji is all that matters a LDE can do it just as well by displacing Pickett who can displace Raji. Not sure how you feel about Johnathan Hankins but I see Boyd as a player who can do some of what Hankins does but a lot more pigeon-holed to scheme and for a lot better value to the Packers. Boyd plays high more often than Hankins but gives better effort over the course of a game. I think the motor is the harder part to coach. Get Boyd focused as a 2-gap specialist at LDE and he can be a rangy run stuffer like Jolly has been for us.

[woodbuck27]

The only thing I can definitely say I would have done differently is I would have drafted Quinton Patton instead of one of the O-linemen in the 4th round.

Yup...it just went on and on and on with the TT way in this draft.

I was certainly pulling for that WR as well. So what pissed me off there. Look who he slipped by TT too? Ohh Dear...there's the San Fran 49ers again! What's this buddy-buddy thing with TT and the 49ers, or so it appears... from this draft? This is three significant moves by the Green Bay Packers that allowed that team to have an outstanding performance in this draft.

Even after their Rd. 1 move that netted them FS Eric Reid. Didn't we like Eric Reid on this board? Wern't we aware of the 49ers strong potential pressence in this draft? TT sure ...should have been.

Wasn't TT aware of what that team is capable of?

Excuse me for being 'just a fan'.

The Green Bay Packers chance at WR Quinton Patton. At 6'- 0" 204 ... didn't he look like a WR to TT? Wasn't Quinton Patton excellent value at Pick #122?

Rd. 4 (109) Packers (From Saints through Dolphins) ... David Bakhtiari, OT; Colorado

Rd. 4 (122) Packers ... JC Tretter, OT; Cornell

Rd. 4 (128) San Fran 49ers ... Quinton Patton, WR; Louisiana Tech

It's too late now for the draft but not ever too late to learn.

PACKERS !

[Joemailman]

Yup...it just went on and on and on with the TT way in this draft.

I was certainly pulling for that WR as well. So what pissed me off there. Look who he slipped by TT too? Ohh Dear...there's the San Fran 49ers again! What's this buddy-buddy thing with TT and the 49ers, or so it appears... from this draft? This is three significant moves by the Green Bay Packers that allowed that team to have an outstanding performance in this draft.

Even after their Rd. 1 move that netted them FS Eric Reid. Didn't we like Eric Reid on this board? Wern't we aware of the 49ers strong potential pressence in this draft? TT sure ...should have been.

Wasn't TT aware of what that team is capable of?

Excuse me for being 'just a fan'.

The Green Bay Packers chance at WR Quinton Patton. At 6'- 0" 204 ... didn't he look like a WR to TT? Wasn't Quinton Patton excellent value at Pick #122?

Rd. 4 (109) Packers (From Saints through Dolphins) ... David Bakhtiari, OT; Colorado

Rd. 4 (122) Packers ... JC Tretter, OT; Cornell

Rd. 4 (128) San Fran 49ers ... Quinton Patton, WR; Louisiana Tech

It's too late now for the draft but not ever too late to learn.

PACKERS !

To learn what? None of these guys have played yet. Maybe TT didn't take Patton because he thought there were WR's later in the draft who are just as good.

[woodbuck27]

To learn what? None of these guys have played yet. Maybe TT didn't take Patton because he thought there were WR's later in the draft who are just as good.

Well indeed...I'm guessing that your correct.

[wist43]

To learn what? None of these guys have played yet. Maybe TT didn't take Patton because he thought there were WR's later in the draft who are just as good.

On that score, I'd say TT may have hit on Johnson. His measureable are great - while I hate TT's constant bum mining, and the numbers do not support his approach, he may have found a player in Johnson.

All of the other spitballs will likely be cut along the way as we approach the season, but I'd try to find a way to keep this guy on the roster and develop him.

[RashanGary]

Grand Valley Coach says he has great ball skills. Obviously he's an impressive physical specimen.

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1621026-nfl-draft-2013-results-biggest-winners-losers-of-the-nfl-draft#/articles/1621400-2013-nfl-draft-highlighting-each-teams-best-individual-selection/page/13

2013 NFL Draft: Highlighting Each Team's Best Individual Selection

By Brandon Holstein (Featured Columnist)

on April 30, 2013

GREEN BAY PACKERS:

Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA: Round 4, Pick 28

" Everyone wants to talk about what a steal the Packers got in Eddie Lacy in Round 2, but I'm not so sure Johnathan Franklin doesn't provide the better overall value in the fourth round.

As a back that's built low to the ground and exhibits an excellent blend of patience, burst and overall vision, Franklin will pair with Lacy to finally give the Packers the one-two punch in the running game they have went far too long without.

The best general managers do a good job of maximizing need with value, and Ted Thompson nailed this draft by making a pair of selections that only further complement the Packers' already potent offensive attack—once again proving why he is the man in charge up in Green Bay." Fr. LINK

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Ted Thompson's constant failure to make Draft Trade Transactions and fail to get decent value back for 'the Green Bay Packers'.

Here is one of the biggest reasons that Ted Thompson let me down in this draft. I watched it happen once and was shocked. To watch it happen 2-3-4 times was ridiculous... not acceptable.

Here are the details. Is this really OK?

NFL DRAFT - TRADE VALUE CHART:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

All Transactions in the 2013 NFL DRAFT:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000161121/article/2013-nfl-draft-trade-tracker-details-of-all-the-moves

Packers Transactions - 2013 NFL DRAFT:

#4 Transaction

Johnathan Franklin drafted by Packers after trade with Broncos

The Packers receive: 2013 fourth-round pick...No. 125: RB Johnathan Franklin

Broncos receive:

2013 fifth-round pick... No. 146 Was Fr. Dolphins: DE Quanterus Smith

and ... 2013 sixth-round pick ... No. 173: Was Fr. 49ers ... OT Vinston Painter

Transaction ... Packers owe Broncos 14 Pts

Surely TT will make this work OK for the Green Bay Packers...NO WAY !

Ted Thompson gives back to the Broncos Rd. 6 Pick #173 or 22.2 Pts.

That's 'a loss' to the Green Bay Packers of 8.2 Pts; or a mid 7th rd. pick value value... gone !

Add it all up and see for yourself what Ted Thompson; 'just' gave away to the 49ers,Dolphins and finally Broncos.

Why did Ted Thompson allow this to happen.

It all adds up to 78 Trade Value Points or Equivalent to a Mid 4th round Pick.

Was that insignificant to Ted Thompson? Just a little spilled milk?

Analysis: The Packers traded up to select another high-profile running back, taking UCLA's Johnathan Franklin. The Packers drafted Alabama running back Eddie Lacy at No. 61 overall Friday.

NFL Network analyst Charles Davis liked the move by the Packers:

"I think this is a big-time value pick. Johnathan Franklin plays bigger than what you think. He's compact, but he'll run inside the tackles. His problem in the past: Putting the ball on the ground." Charles Davis

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#3 Transaction: Friday, April 26

Dolphins trade for another third-round pick

Dolphins receive: 2013 third-round pick No. 93: Was Fr. 49ers ... CB Will Davis

The Packers receive:

2013 fourth-round pick No. 109: OT David Bakhtiari

2013 fifth-round pick No. 146: Traded to Broncos

2013 seventh-round pick... No. 224: WR Kevin Dorsey

This trade is worth 52 Pts back to the Packers. We 'only' got 33 + 2 = 35 Pts back.

The -ve differential >>> Dolphins = 17 Pts or on the Trade Value Chart = Rd. 6 (26) Pick # 126 overall.

TT's taken again !

Analysis: The Dolphins continued to make moves in the third round of the 2013 NFL Draft, sending three picks to the Packers in order to select Utah State cornerback Will Davis at No. 93 overall.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock didn't see Davis going in the third round: "I had a fifth-round grade on Davis. But he's a man corner with good ball skills. He'll be physical."

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#2 Transaction:

San Fran 49ers make deal with Packers to draft DE Corey Lemonier

49ers receive:2013 third-round pick ...No. 88: DE Corey Lemonier

Packers receive: 2013 third-round pick...No. 93: (Traded to Dolphins)

2013 seventh-round pick ... No. 216: WR Charles Johnson

Trade Value to Packers Fr. San Fran 49ers = 22 Pts

7th Rd. #216 = 5 Pts

SO ... The San Fran 49ers now take Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers down for:

17 Pts + 35.8 Pts = Total of 52.8 Pts or equiv. to a 4th Round Pick (25) # 121 overall.

Why did Ted Thompson let this slide by him 'not just one but two times'?

Take or 'Fool' me once 'shame on you'...Take or (fool) me twice, 'shame on me'.

AND It doesn't end there.... See Ted Thompson's 3rd and 4th Transactions in his 2013 DRAFT. He gets take down two (2) more times. In total in this draft; Ted Thompson is used like a doormat four times. TT gets 'taken downtown' in all four (4) transactions in this draft.

Why... Packer fans?

Analysis: The 49ers went after a pass rusher in the third round, drafting Auburn defensive end Corey Lemonier at No. 88 after trading two picks to the Packers.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock likes what Lemonier could provide the Niners: "Fits what they do. Kind of a somewhat conflicted pick in the sense that his talent would be a late-first to late-second round."

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#1 Transaction:

San Fran 49ers move up in second round

49ers receive: 2013 second-round pick ...No. 55: TE Vance McDonald

Packers receive:

2013 second-round pick ...No. 61: RB Eddie Lacy

2013 sixth-round pick...No. 173: (Traded to the Broncos)

Trade up Fr. #61 >>> #55 San Fran owes Packers 58 Pts. Trade Value

Note #173 = 22.2 Pts

San Fran 49ers took Ted Thompson down for 35.8 Pts in this transaction. That's worth a value equivalent to a mid 5th Rd. pick. They won't get away with that 'trick' again.... or will they?

See Transaction #2 with San Fran 49ers where Packers GM Ted Thompson gets taken again, by The San Fran 49ers.

Analysis: The 49ers moved up six picks in the second round by shipping two 2013 selections to the Packers.

Rice's Vance McDonald is considered one of the top tight ends available in the draft.