THE draft thread (2013 version)

[3irty1]

I now see why you're upset Woody but if I wouldn't put so much stock in the trade value chart. The rookie pay scale changes it and this draft was particularly light at the top which throws the values way off.

One thing you should check out is this: http://www.sportsplusnumbers.com/201...e-machine.html

The draft trade machine weights every pick by the average of the production of all the players to ever be picked there (with some smoothing). Ultimately though, Ted can justify any trade he wants because value is always dependent of his evaluation of the player(s) available at the given slot. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[Fritz]

On that score, I'd say TT may have hit on Johnson. His measureable are great - while I hate TT's constant bum mining, and the numbers do not support his approach, he may have found a player in Johnson.

All of the other spitballs will likely be cut along the way as we approach the season, but I'd try to find a way to keep this guy on the roster and develop him.

TT's constant bum mining?

Are you slighting his rumored sexual preferences here, Wist?

[wist43]

TT's constant bum mining?

Are you slighting his rumored sexual preferences here, Wist?

You're a sick man Fritz

[Bretsky]

Perhaps TT shared your concern expressed last week that Williams' thin legs would lead to injury. Every GM in the league passed on him 4 times. There must be some reason why a guy thought at one time to be a late 1st/early 2nd pick was still available in the 5th round.

Didn't Williams get taken at the end of round 3 by the Ravens ????

[Joemailman]

Didn't Williams get taken at the end of round 3 by the Ravens ????

You're right. I thought they were talking about Jesse Williams, but looking back through the thread, I guess they were talking about Brandon Williams. Jesse Williams was drafted early in the 5th by Seattle.

[Bretsky]

You're right. I thought they were talking about Jesse Williams, but looking back through the thread, I guess they were talking about Brandon Williams. Jesse Williams was drafted early in the 5th by Seattle.

Brandon Williams was a pretty heavily pimped player in PR and Wist lead the group. In fact, had they taken Brandon Williams in round three instead of trading down, I think Wist might have actually been a fan of the draft.

Let's say we lose the OT and one of the 5th round picks (preferrably not the Upside WR).

If Brandon Williams turns out to be a pro bowler wist will have eternity to remind us

[3irty1]

Brandon Williams was a pretty heavily pimped player in PR and Wist lead the group. In fact, had they taken Brandon Williams in round three instead of trading down, I think Wist might have actually been a fan of the draft.

Let's say we lose the OT and one of the 5th round picks (preferrably not the Upside WR).

If Brandon Williams turns out to be a pro bowler wist will have eternity to remind us

Not eternity, just until the establishment pulls the trigger on the collapse of capitalist society and seizes control of all the internet service for brainwashing the populace with glee and soccer. Then he'll only be able to remind those of us with CB radios.

[woodbuck27]

TT's constant bum mining?

Are you slighting his rumored sexual preferences here, Wist?

Whhhhhaaaaattt !!? What 'you' sayin'?

[woodbuck27]

Brandon Williams was a pretty heavily pimped player in PR and Wist lead the group. In fact, had they taken Brandon Williams in round three instead of trading down, I think Wist might have actually been a fan of the draft.

Let's say we lose the OT and one of the 5th round picks (preferrably not the Upside WR).

If Brandon Williams turns out to be a pro bowler wist will have eternity to remind us

Is the air finally purer?

It takes forever to get this stuff through to some here.

If you really wanted to go right to it. Any Packerrat with a desire to do so could post a better draft than what some of us endured and saw from TT this past weekend. Well certainly that... after Thursday night.

Why are there so many Home Sucking Ted Thomson apologists here when that's just simply passe? hey Y'all nobody hates Ted Thompson at least that I know of at Packerrats.

Generally we LOVE Ted Thompson. Well ... I like Ted thompson. I'm just a regular guy. (-:

Ted Thompson' job is very secure Packerrats.

Ted thompson does very well...but he's far from perfect. When I see him still on video talking to the media. I genuinely feel sorry for him.

He's not at all well scripted. He says things that are meaningless.

Examples:

"Well yea! He looks like a... WR ...LB....(fill in the blank)." TT

What Ted !? What in blue blazes does that mean....Ted? He looks like ..... ? That's not .... comforting Ted.

Bottom line.... Ted Thompson is still no less uncomfortable in front of a camera as he ever was. How well can he operate under duress? Like in a draft? I think that TT is a nice man. I see that he really cares. Great qualities there but that man under the gun !!?

Thus we see TT lose 4 trades in this draft.

Count them ONE-TWO-THREE-FOUR.

Give me a break if I get annoyed. Especially when two of those muggings came at the hand of the fricken' San Fran 49ers. I hate that !!

"Ohh I couldn't comment on that" TT

What Ted? Why you cannot get fair value back in a draft trade? That and the fricken team that's kicking your butt in this off season. The team that won the draft according to too many. Thanks for helping out the San Fran 49ers Ted.

And this classic Ted Thompson response to a simple question:

"Now ...that's classified." TT

What Ted?? This is the Green Bay Packers, not the fricken' CIA Ted.

Ohh Boy !

[woodbuck27]

Brandon Williams was a pretty heavily pimped player in PR and Wist lead the group. In fact, had they taken Brandon Williams in round three instead of trading down, I think Wist might have actually been a fan of the draft.

Let's say we lose the OT and one of the 5th round picks (preferrably not the Upside WR).

If Brandon Williams turns out to be a pro bowler wist will have eternity to remind us

Second response to your post:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1424923-2013-nfl-draft-missouri-southern-defensive-tackle-brandon-williams

Didn't DT/NT Brandon Williams go to 'a defensive minded' team?

Well ...Yes he did:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1621026-nfl-draft-2013-results-biggest-winners-losers-of-the-nfl-draft#/articles/1621026-nfl-draft-2013-results-biggest-winners-losers-of-the-nfl-draft/page/2

The Green Bay Packers don't have need .... on defense. (sarcasm intended) for emphasis. Everything is hunky dory on our DL. NOPE !! That line is secure for years to come. NOPE !! Arn't five players on that DL in a final contract year this season?

I know that TT made two picks for the DL but one of them wasn't named Sylvester Williams or Brandon Williams.

Some of us here at Packerrats do our homework too. Some of us here at Packerrats just don't come home and check the Packer game score on the late news. Some of us 'live' Packers.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

I now see why you're upset Woody but if I wouldn't put so much stock in the trade value chart. The rookie pay scale changes it and this draft was particularly light at the top which throws the values way off.

One thing you should check out is this: http://www.sportsplusnumbers.com/201...e-machine.html

The draft trade machine weights every pick by the average of the production of all the players to ever be picked there (with some smoothing). Ultimately though, Ted can justify any trade he wants because value is always dependent of his evaluation of the player(s) available at the given slot. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

As far as I could determine researching the current standard for making a trade. The old standard is still used. What's it called? The Jerry Jones Chart or something like that. This one:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Now I just looked at that LINK you provided and Wooooaaahhh !

To understand that a GM would need to attend a 3 credit course from a credited university to understand it all. Can you really buy into two GM's in their respective War Rooms and going over all that 'Higher Mathematics' to seal the deal in trading up or down in the draft?

I have to take some time to study that and thank God I have a minor in Mathematics and taught math or I'd never have the courage to.

TT has difficulty discussing the particulars of a certain draft pick. He's not going to handle wheeling and dealing with that information in his mug... well...at all.

I think that Ted is just so pumped to trade down for more picks that he will take anything in that trade to just get there. That seems perfectly realistic analyzing..... TT's...Ohh Boy...here it goes again!!!...

last ........ Ohh Nooooo....here it goes again...... last

Ok ... there ... just a second....ooops....there....Uuuummm NO !! .... OK....Wait ... There....I've stopped shaking.

Last Draft

I just had a flashback. The agony of it.

[KYPack]

As far as I could determine researching the current standard for making a trade. The old standard is still used. What's it called? The Jerry Jones Chart or something like that. This one:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Now I just looked at that LINK you provided and Wooooaaahhh !

To understand that a GM would need to attend a 3 credit course from a credited university to understand it all. Can you really buy into two GM's in their respective War Rooms and going over all that 'Higher Mathematics' to seal the deal in trading up or down in the draft?

I have to take some time to study that and thank God I have a minor in Mathematics and taught math or I'd never have the courage to.

TT has difficulty discussing the particulars of a certain draft pick. He's not going to handle wheeling and dealing with that information in his mug... well...at all.

I think that Ted is just so pumped to trade down for more picks that he will take anything in that trade to just get there. That seems perfectly realistic analyzing..... TT's...Ohh Boy...here it goes again!!!...

last ........ Ohh Nooooo....here it goes again...... last

Ok ... there ... just a second....ooops....there....Uuuummm NO !! .... OK....Wait ... There....I've stopped shaking.

Last Draft

I just had a flashback. The agony of it.

Woody, Jimmy Johnson put that chart together 21 years ago to evaluate draft value. I thought that's what you referring to when you said you "checked the draft value's". That chart has been out-moded and not used for for quite a few years.

The NFL has changed a lot since Jimmah and Jerrah used that table of values There have been newer tables developed, some teams only use their own tables as rough guides, and some teams don't use 'em at all.

Using that old table, you figure that TT "lost" that trade with SF in the second round. TT traded down, got the RB he wanted, and picked up a 6th rnd pick. You use the ancient table and somehow think TT got snookered in the deal. You are dead nuts wrong in your assumptions.

But, you could end up right if Lacy busts. That is possible, Lacy is a good hand, but he also a plodder, he has a stomping running style that might not translate into a talented NFL running back. That's the crap shoot the NFL draft is.

TT creates his draft board based on the evaluations of his scouts. He then follows his scouts advice and makes his draft picks by religiously following his board. That is a radical departure from his predecessor. Shermy thought he knew better than his scouts and barred them from the draft room. I'll take TT and his methods. This regime uncovered two UDFA's who were out of position in college, we moved them to their NFL jobs and wound up with two NFL players out of the deal. Other teams scouting departments aren't uncovering guys like Dezman Moses and Sam Shields, the two guys I'm talking about. They are the football talent evaluating professionals, not rabid fans like you. You are so close to the forest, you can't see the trees (or the ground, maybe).

I believe in TT and his regime. It's good we have dedicated fans, but I'm glad the fans aren't drafting our talent for us. The fans are clueless in that regard.

[Gunakor]

Using that old table, you figure that TT "lost" that trade with SF in the second round. TT traded down, got the RB he wanted, and picked up a 6th rnd pick. You use the ancient table and somehow think TT got snookered in the deal. You are dead nuts wrong in your assumptions.

But, you could end up right if Lacy busts. That is possible, Lacy is a good hand, but he also a plodder, he has a stomping running style that might not translate into a talented NFL running back. That's the crap shoot the NFL draft is.

The 6th we got from San Fransisco here was the one used to trade up and get Franklin. So if Lacy busts and Franklin doesn't then we still win this trade IMO.

[rbaloha1]

TT does not believe in charts -- trusts scouting dept.

[pbmax]

I am pretty sure the Packers have the personnel on hand to do a draft chart calculation during trade discussions. I doubt that Ted has to have a calculator on standby to do it himself.