THE draft thread (2013 version)

[woodbuck27]

Another proposal from Football Perspective, revised in 2012:

http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

Thanks for the leads Patler. With those and the one from 3irty1.

I can possibly elect to do a retirement thesis on 'Fairness and Transactions in the NFL DRAFT'.

The question I propose to myself:

Does that seem intriguing/exciting? It surely 'in any case' will not add so much confusion when I see a team take a pounding in any transaction.

Such pounding as I believed I saw TT and the Green Bay Packers take last week. That not just at the hands of the San Francisco 49ers. The Miami Dolphins and Denver Broncos, both did a little bit of 49ers, to Ted Thompson and the Packers too. Based on all I had in terms of Draft Transaction Value.

It's 'the whole thing and this draft' and Ted Thompson's transactions.

Was it possible that he was in such a need to acquire additiional picks!?

He did trade up one time for what I see in review as his 'Crown/Shining Moment' in his draft. To acquire RB Johnathan Franklin.

Yes ... based on my 'justa fan participation and time investment ' in this draft. I loved TT's move right there. I loved it for the value and for the insurance on his pick at Rd. 2 #61 to acquire RB Eddie Lacy. Eddie Lacy's injury history should have been a concern for Ted Thompson. When I look at video of Eddie Lacy I'm impressed. I was more impressed with other RB options in this draft, in consideration of where they might be targeted.

All the same, I have to accept the value in Eddie Lacy Rd. 2 Pick#61.

My jury is still out deliberating on that 'whole' issue of:

Did TT give up too much in terms of value Vs acquiring picks.

I don't seek stubborn ....rather RIGHT-TRUTH.... for this:

GO PACKERS !

[smuggler]

We should definitely do a re-mock. Whoever makes the choices for GB should trade down with every pick until they have all the 7th rounders. >:O

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WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

100 PAGES

my longest packerrats thread EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

longer then the 2008 draft thread (though that had way more views), and crushing other threads like my amazing garbage can thread titled "fuck"

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

If I sort by Views, I get 2013 draft thread in second after Official Living Legend. 2008 draft thread nowhere in sight.

But more importantly, due to the wonders of non-football fans and Tebow, look how many views the Tebow thread has versus posts.

We should name every thread after Tim and watch the money roll in for Mad.

Or wait ...

[woodbuck27]

Another proposal from Football Perspective, revised in 2012:

http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

It appears to me that if 'the Packers' and 'San Fran 49ers' used the chart in the LINK above that was provided by Patler ...this one. This is 'in fact' my analysis of the two transactions in the 2013 Draft between the Green Bay Packers and San Fran 49ers:

http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

Transaction #1:

Rd. 2 Pick #55 = 9.1 and Rd. 2 Pick #61 = 8.4 or a Trade Diff. Value (TDV) = 0.7

Then San Fran owes the Packers Pick #204 ... a Compensatory Pick owned by KC.

To make the deal the 49ers would have to offer 'the Packers their best available pick = Rd. 6 Pick #173

BINGO !

*** http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap10...-all-the-moves

Packers traded up Fr. Rd. 5 Pick #146 Rec'd Fr. the Dolphins in their transaction to acquire the Packers Rd. 3 Pick #93; coupled with Rd. 6 Pick #173 For RB Johnathan Franklin Rd. 4 Pick # 125

Denver Broncos receive: 2013 Rd. 5 Pick #146 (From Dolphins through Packers) and Pick: DE Quanterus Smith 6'5" 250; Western Kentucky.....GRADE 75.7

and 2013 Rd. 6 Pick #173 (From Eagles through Browns, 49ers and Packers) and Pick: OT Vinston Painter OT 6'4" 306; Virginia Tech ... Grade ... 51.0



Now...... let's try to prove/support that, by looking at the second transaction in this draft between The Packers and San Fran 49ers. That transaction was in Rd. 3 @ Pick #88.

Looking at Transaction #2:

We traded down to Rd. 3 Pick #93 FR. Rd. 3 Pick #88.

The (TVD) Trade Value Difference using this Chart:

Rd. 3 Pick #88 = 6.1 ... and... Rd. 3 Pick # 93 = 5.7

A Trade Diff. Value (TDF) >>> back to the Packers of 0.4

0.4 = Pick #214 and that was a Rd. 7 Pick owned by the Seattle Seahawks.

The actual TDV >>> back to the Packers Fr. San Fran 49ers was a 7th Rd. Pick #216.

Rd. 7 Pick #216 Packers (From Titans through 49ers) was used by the Packers to pick WR Charles Johnson, 6'2" 215 lbs; Fr. Grand Valley State ....... Grade = 50.4


Conclusion:

This analysis is based on the TVC LINK at the top of this post.

It's now my conclusion. That Packers GM Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers received Fair Trade Value (FTV) back >>> Fr. the San Francisco 49ers in both of their transactions in the 2013 NFL Draft.

Note:

By looking at the other two transactions or the Packers with the Miami Dolphins and finally the Denver Broncos. Anyone on this forum could 'if desired', analyze if the Green Bay Packers received FTV Fr. these trading partners. I've provided *** the LINK *** for all of the transactions in this 2013 NFL Draft within this post.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

100 PAGES

my longest packerrats thread EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

longer then the 2008 draft thread (though that had way more views), and crushing other threads like my amazing garbage can thread titled "fuck"

I AM A GOLDEN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE....a GOLDEN GOD red !!!!!!

[woodbuck27]

If I sort by Views, I get 2013 draft thread in second after Official Living Legend. 2008 draft thread nowhere in sight.

But more importantly, due to the wonders of non-football fans and Tebow, look how many views the Tebow thread has versus posts.

We should name every thread after Tim and watch the money roll in for Mad.

Or wait ...

Yea...Exactly.We should cool 'our Jets' and that one....... because:



As an Entrepreneur ... Mad is already Verrrrrrry Rich.

[KYPack]

OK, Woody, we're cool and all.

The draft charts are a tool and are a part of any trade involving picks, but not the end all be all judge of the deal.

Let's take a nuetral example.

The Browns got a whole village of high picks to make the Julio Jones deal a couple years ago. 2 #1's and other great picks, 5 in all. That draft pick value's were all in Cleve's favor, but after this year's draft that deal is definitely in favor of The Birds and Julio Jones. Becuase ATL wanted that guy, Julio Jones to pair with Roddy White. Cleve? they were lead by GM washout (Pres at the time) Mikey Homgren. New Brown GM Mike Lombardi spent this draft trying to forge together a future for Cleveland after Holmgren's fuck-up. The charts show the Brownies "won" but the results were that Cleveland screwed it up.

Those charts are just numbers. The whole thing changes when the numbers start to become the actual players. TT stated that the charts are just a bunch of numbers & he's freakin' right.

Woody I got on your ass because you were critiquing TT & the GBP's draft based on draft charts. Not only that, the values you were all worried about were negligable. SF skinned the Pack because was a 9 point difference under the old JJchart? That's bullshit. Nobody got taken OR got over one way or the other.

Now is the time to strap it up and get playing. We'll see a little during OTA's and a lot more when camp and the Pre starts.

TT picked 11 guys. Their play will figure out what deal was good and what was bad, not charts, tables, or any calculations.

I don't know if the draft was good or bad yet.

I am still puzzle about the 3rd rnd hole, but maybe the 3 4th rnd boys will cover
Thompson on that one.

The time to find out is nearing.

[KYPack]

Oh yeah.

Congrats to Red, our resident Otis Campbell clone and all round screw head.

This is one king hell thread you started.

100 pages +, that ain't bad.

[packrulz]

This guy says TT had a good draft: http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...5-2bbad67afa3c

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If I sort by Views, I get 2013 draft thread in second after Official Living Legend. 2008 draft thread nowhere in sight.

But more importantly, due to the wonders of non-football fans and Tebow, look how many views the Tebow thread has versus posts.

We should name every thread after Tim and watch the money roll in for Mad.

Or wait ...

i don't know what you're looking at, or maybe its just a smaller window. but if i go to my profile, then click on all threads i started i can find the 2008 draft thread. it had 1700+ posts and over 38,000 views

living legend will never fall though. 400+ pages, over 300,000 views. thats just nuts

[3irty1]

i don't know what you're looking at, or maybe its just a smaller window. but if i go to my profile, then click on all threads i started i can find the 2008 draft thread. it had 1700+ posts and over 38,000 views

living legend will never fall though. 400+ pages, over 300,000 views. thats just nuts

That thread was a steaming pile of shit though. You're #1 in my book.

[MadtownPacker]

Attention Whore Red claiming he made the draft thread great is worst then if Kiper claimed everyone watched the draft to see his hair.

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Attention Whore Red claiming he made the draft thread great is worst then if Kiper claimed everyone watched the draft to see his hair.

my hair is better then kipers

[woodbuck27]

That thread was a steaming pile of shit though. You're #1 in my book.

Favre! Favre !! Favre !!!