McGinn..."Packers Too Soft for NFL Elite"

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-too-soft-to-join-nfls-elite-2b8e22l-187611511.html

The comments about GB really wanting Kendell Reyes were interesting

[denverYooper]

[Pugger]

Yep, fire the lot of 'em and start over.

[Patler]

Nothing very insightful in this article. We've discussed these same issues several times. In fact, a poster with whom I rarely disagree started a thread about it way back in September:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?24513-Negatives

I figured we might as well have a counterpoint to the "Positives" thread. Some are new, some are old but are now becoming real obstacles. Identify the fundamental things you have seen that are a concern as the team moves forward. Some of mine:

- This is not a physically tough team right now. It routinely comes out on the short end of physical play. The O-line gets shoved around, the receivers are not standing up to physical play and, while playing better, the defense still seems to get "out toughed", yielding extra yards to running backs time and time again after initial contact.

- Bulaga may not be the player we thought he had become. He has not played particularly well in any of the three games. He sure has not been the borderline all-pro people thought he was. He looks a fraction slow, and is even getting beaten on power moves by rushers who should not have a strength advantage on him.

- MM had an off-season to adjust the offense to counter what defenses had learned to do against the Packers. There were even vague references to the new looks they would have. But, other than the creative uses of Cobb, we have not seen anything to counter defenses focused on taking away the long plays. A gimmick play to Cobb now and then will not get it done. NFL scemes are ever evolving and changing. MM had done it in the past, but right now seems caught in the ruts of what worked so well for three-fourths of the year last year.

- MM seems to have lost all confidence in anything except a fast strike offense. He just can;t seem to help himself, and by and large the failure of the slow developing passing plays have cripppled drive after drive.

- Rodgers has not demonstrated the patience the commentators claim he has. Can he stay with a steady diet of runs and short passes until defenses commit to stopping them? It doesn't seem so.

- Cobb is a fumble machine on kicks. He can score a TD on any punt/kick, or give the ball right back to the opponent

I acknowledged the defense is playing better, and individuals like Shields and Hawk especially, but its not just what they did against Lynch that prompted my comment. Its their overall toughness, whether due to individuals or schemes. It's almost an attitude as much as anything. Too many plays drag on because they engage the ball carrier, but don't get him down. Half yard here, full yard there. Seldom do they hit a guy and drive him back, or take him directly down. Too many scrums. Perhaps better than last year, but still a long way to go.

[denverYooper]

Nothing very insightful in this article. We've discussed these same issues several times. In fact, a poster with whom I rarely disagree started a thread about it way back in September:

I thought the same, that it came off like nothing more than a post in any number of Packers fan forums.

It was another variation on Silverstein's article from last week, too, rife with the same sort of inconsistencies and discarding any information that does not fit in the Procrustean bed that the JS has created out of this "physicality" issue.

[denverYooper]

At least he didn't say that McMillian was too short.

[mraynrand]

At least he didn't say that McMillian was too short.

There's a word limit. It was in the unedited version.

[mraynrand]

I brought a physical presence to church this morning. I was asked to leave.

[pbmax]

I brought a physical presence to church this morning. I was asked to leave.

Try Pentecostal. They call a different service there.

[Patler]

I thought the same, that it came off like nothing more than a post in any number of Packers fan forums.

It was another variation on Silverstein's article from last week, too, rife with the same sort of inconsistencies and discarding any information that does not fit in the Procrustean bed that the JS has created out of this "physicality" issue.

It also appears several are zeroing in on a couple new targets to belittle whenever possible. Grant will be gone again, and possibly Hawk; so they need a couple new subjects for their "hard hitting" commentary.

[Patler]

Try Pentecostal. They call a different service there.

I'm looking for a priest who is good at a hurry-up service.

[pbmax]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...187611511.html


The comments about GB really wanting Kendell Reyes were interesting

I am beginning to think the post-draft could-have-been are really just wishful thinking, even on the part of team executives, because Mike Trgovac wanted this guy:

"It’s kind of funny how the draft falls," Trgovac said. "We had some guys in that situation that went right before us. You look at Muhammad Wilkerson, he was a guy we really liked and he went two picks before us. You never know. That’s why those guys go fast. That’s why some of those teams are stock-piling talent when they’re picking way up there."

[pbmax]

I'm looking for a priest who is good at a hurry-up service.

Of course, Catholic services, with the standing, sitting and kneeling for prayer is the Tom Landry offensive line of services.

[Deputy Nutz]

Funny, last year we couldn't stop the pass. This year we are too soft. It is all circular in the NFL.

[rbaloha1]

Disagree about McGinn.

Dude looks at film and has experts available to critique players/personnel. IMO grades are more accurate than the overly harsh Gazette.

Worthy is interesting. Excited by this draft pick due to quickness and juice. Worthy needs to get to 320 pounds. Too often was pushed around on the run. Still plays too high.