McGinn..."Packers Too Soft for NFL Elite"

[Joemailman]

Worthy showed little in training camp, decided to drop a load of bad weight and kept getting pushed back against the run. In other words, he was soft, too. By the way, Reyes had an impressive first season.

He probably needed to lose the bad weight, but it did probably reduce his effectiveness. He'll now be entering the Packers offseason training program for the first time. I would expect the see a stronger, more fit Worthy next season.

[RashanGary]

Anyone who thinks a line anchored by BJ Raji, Ryan Pickett and Clay Matthews is not stout in the trenches is smoking crack. The problem wasn't our inability to maintain the line of scrimmage. Our problem was our 2nd line of defense that looked like they were running in mud. That, and rather than a good shot of buck-shot taking down a stag, they looked like a bb gun bouncing one pellet off a RB's thigh.

We need guys who can run, and tackle through guys. AP doesn't go off the way he did if he gets tackled. The first time through we stuffed it down just fine inside. In fact, we dominated the line of scrimmage. We just got destroyed when he ran away or bitch slapped every would be tackler in his way. Same goes for Kaepernick. The guy made us look like we were running in quicksand while he raced by our shit defenders.



McGinn said we lacked toughness, and I agree. He didn't say we had shitty DL who were owned at the line of scrimmage. He said Dashon Gholston shut mother fuckers down. He's a 210 lb defender. We just don't have impact tacklers, guys who blow you up and take you down every time. Toughness, in this case, I think is being completely misread.

Now on the offensive side. . . I'm not so sure. AR's complete unwillingness most of the season to take what was given to him made everyone look bad. All of our guys are 320 plus and outside Newhouse, all of them are scrappy players. We need a RB and we need AR to take a bit of humble pie and start adjusting to what defenses are throwing at him rather than trying to take in the glory of the deep ball.

[RashanGary]

Tough running back. Tough safeties and LB's. . . . Get those things and we're a completely different team.

[rbaloha1]

Tough running back. Tough safeties and LB's. . . . Get those things and we're a completely different team.

Requires Seahawks type overhaul which was orchestrated by a TT disciple.

[Rutnstrut]

Requires Seahawks type overhaul which was orchestrated by a TT disciple.

But a TT disciple that understands free agency can be your friend.

[denverYooper]

That tough Goldson just lost his jock on the 30.

[rbaloha1]

But a TT disciple that understands free agency can be your friend.

Plus in GB its easier since TT has the final say not like in Seattle in which Carroll has the final say. MM only wants to coach.

Plus GB is no longer viewed as Siberia. It is a liveable city for the modern black athlete.

[pbmax]

Anyone who thinks a line anchored by BJ Raji, Ryan Pickett and Clay Matthews is not stout in the trenches is smoking crack. The problem wasn't our inability to maintain the line of scrimmage. Our problem was our 2nd line of defense that looked like they were running in mud. That, and rather than a good shot of buck-shot taking down a stag, they looked like a bb gun bouncing one pellet off a RB's thigh.

Its both. Pickett did not have a good year versus doubles. When he played NT during the previous two years, things did not move in the middle. They moved this year.

Raji, as wist has been correct about for a while, is not a 2 gap NT. He gets moved and gets washed out at times.

Matthews is just fine.

They need to decide what they will play a majority of downs in and draft for it. Because the new guys aren't stout but are quick and fast. They can all penetrate. But the LBs can't cover all the holes. Actually, Hawk is probably the worst fit in that type of D.

[pbmax]

Make a decision in Pickett and Raji. For Pickett, will he be an effective full time guy and for Raji, will he go full time at nose?

Then reinforce D line again. Need more ILBs. Need a physically talented safety. Maybe clone Collins.

Solve two of those issues and defense returns to 2010 level when a suspect ILB corp fared just fine except for pass coverage against TEs. We now know Brad Jones can do that job.

Offense? Sherrod is the solution to Newhouse and insurance against Bulaga if Sherry heals and Bulaga continues to fall apart. To be honest, Newhouse in the running game is better than Clifton but he is just shaky enough, and shuts down too early in the play, for me to be completely comfortable. There are a candidates at RT. Don't forget Datko at LT.

Was Datko the guy who looked a mess at RT but immediately got two draft rounds better when moved to the left? I think that was the case.

If James Starks can lead a team in rushing during a Super Bowl drive, Alex Green and Harris will be fine, though one needs to learn how to pass block and chip.

Need athletic TE to replace Quarless if he isn't healthy. Otherwise, this is OK. Need to challenge EDS in some way. But he seemed to settle right in at the end of the season.

[mmmdk]

Funny, last year we couldn't stop the pass. This year we are too soft. It is all circular in the NFL.

We made Blaine Gabbert look like Zeus! It's our front seven that lacks talent; I'm actually pretty positive about our secondary. The front 7 though is paramount to a great, even good defense.

[Patler]

Worthy showed little in training camp, decided to drop a load of bad weight and kept getting pushed back against the run. In other words, he was soft, too. By the way, Reyes had an impressive first season.

He probably needed to lose the bad weight, but it did probably reduce his effectiveness. He'll now be entering the Packers offseason training program for the first time. I would expect the see a stronger, more fit Worthy next season.

Actually, no, he will not be entering the Packers off season training program. He had knee surgery last week, and Trgovic said he is expected to miss the entire off season program.

[denverYooper]

Actually, no, he will not be entering the Packers off season training program. He had knee surgery last week, and Trgovic said he is expected to miss the entire off season program.

Too bad because he's one that really needed it to take his game to the next level. Looks like he'll probably be another year out from being what they need him to be.

[Patler]

Don't forget Datko at LT.

Was Datko the guy who looked a mess at RT but immediately got two draft rounds better when moved to the left? I think that was the case.

In training camp? Yup. They said he had never in his career played on the right side, not in high school, not in college; and was struggling with the change.

This is a guy who during his Junior year, before getting injured, was spoken of as a possible 2nd round pick for the following year. There must be same basic ability there, if he can keep his health and rebuild his strength.

[Joemailman]

Actually, no, he will not be entering the Packers off season training program. He had knee surgery last week, and Trgovic said he is expected to miss the entire off season program.

Yeah, I see now it's an ACL. I didn't think it was that serious. Maybe the call will go out to Johnny Jolly after all. Assuming he gets reactivated by the NFL.

[rbaloha1]

Yeah, I see now it's an ACL. I didn't think it was that serious. Maybe the call will go out to Johnny Jolly after all. Assuming he gets reactivated by the NFL.

Boy what a loss JJ IS TURNING OUT TO BE.