"Tough Cap Calls Are Ahead"

[3irty1]

I'm fine with Pickett's pay. Historically they've not been able to stop a nosebleed on the ground unless he's in there.

[sharpe1027]

I'm fine with Pickett's pay. Historically they've not been able to stop a nosebleed on the ground unless he's in there.

He's earned it up to now. I think the biggest question is whether he's got another good year left. He held up pretty well this year, but he's no spring chicken anymore.

[Smeefers]

I'm on the fence with Bush. He's been good on special teams, but I'm not convinced that replacing him with someone else would really make that much difference.

I think Hawk counts 7 million against the cap and (I think) they would save 5.4 million cap space if they cut him.

I would pay Bush if he played Defense. Even a little bit of defense might justify him there. Unfortunately he's absolutely hopeless on D. He's a pretty darn good special teams guy, but I have a hard time paying a guy who's on the field 8 plays out of the game.

[smuggler]

I think we'll find in 2014 that Raji is on his way out. I like him just fine, but I also feel he's probably GB's most overrated player.

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I think we'll find in 2014 that Raji is on his way out. I like him just fine, but I also feel he's probably GB's most overrated player.

you know

i might agree with you on that. he's definately not the dominating force we'd like him to be

if hawk is a bust because he's not flashy and just does an average job, then you might have to look at raji the same way

[mraynrand]

I would pay Bush if he played Defense. Even a little bit of defense might justify him there. Unfortunately he's absolutely hopeless on D. He's a pretty darn good special teams guy, but I have a hard time paying a guy who's on the field 8 plays out of the game.

we'll try to punt more next year to increase his value

[Fritz]

I think we'll find in 2014 that Raji is on his way out. I like him just fine, but I also feel he's probably GB's most overrated player.

I feel he's underperformed but those big quick dudes don't grow on trees. I'd not mind spending a high pick on a big nose tackle and then evaluate Raji next season.

[rbaloha1]

I feel he's underperformed but those big quick dudes don't grow on trees. I'd not mind spending a high pick on a big nose tackle and then evaluate Raji next season.

Me too. IMO Raji is overrated and overweight. Danagerous to sign to a big contract.

[Joemailman]

you know

i might agree with you on that. he's definately not the dominating force we'd like him to be

if hawk is a bust because he's not flashy and just does an average job, then you might have to look at raji the same way

There aren't many 330 lb guys with Raji's quickness. While I agree he's not as consistently dominant as we would like, he would be harder to replace than a guy like Hawk.

[pbmax]

I think the article is partly wrong. Hawk has 1.6/year in prorated signing bonus cap hit from his 8 million dollar singing bonus (8 million / 5 years = 1.6 million). If they cut him after June 1 first, 1.6 million will count this year and the remaining 1.6 million carries into the next year. Basically, they would save 3.8 (5.4 - 1.6) this year and still have 1.6 million in dead money next year.

I could be wrong.

Teams no longer need to wait to June 1st to spread the cap hit over two years.

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There aren't many 330 lb guys with Raji's quickness. While I agree he's not as consistently dominant as we would like, he would be harder to replace than a guy like Hawk.

but he's not nearly quick enough to get any pressure on qb's

its his job as a fat man in the 3-4 to eat up blockers, like 2 or 3 of them at a time clog running lanes and keep blockers off the lb'ers

he needs to do a better job of that imo

[Joemailman]

but he's not nearly quick enough to get any pressure on qb's

its his job as a fat man in the 3-4 to eat up blockers, like 2 or 3 of them at a time clog running lanes and keep blockers off the lb'ers

he needs to do a better job of that imo

Statistically, Daniels played a lot better. These numbers track QB pressure by the front five boys, down lineman and OLB's. Sacks, QB hits,& hurries....

Clay Matthews 12.76%
Mike Neal 10
Nick Perry 9.52%
Dezman Moses 8.24%
Mike Daniels 7.02%
Erik Walden 6.81%
BJ Raji 6.22%
CJ Wilson 5.56%
Jerel Worthy 2.56%
Ryan Pickett 2.23%

MDaniel's numbers were pretty damned good for a rookie interior DL.
Worthy has talent, but he's got to broaden his arsenal. He basically uses one move and a counter. It will take more solid moves than that to make him an effective PR force from the inside.

I wanna see Nick Perry, Clay Matthews, Mike Neal, Dezman Moses,
& Mike Daniels on the field at the same time in second and third & long situation. If Worthy gets healthy after camp spot him in that rotation, after "learnin'" him some tricks. I'm sure Turgo's got a gimmick or two the kid can put in his PR golf bag

Raji wasn't too bad for someone his size. He still needs to do better though.

[sharpe1027]

Teams no longer need to wait to June 1st to spread the cap hit over two years.

Damn. You're right. Teams get two exceptions to the June deadline per year. Yet another error.

[Guiness]

Damn. You're right. Teams get two exceptions to the June deadline per year. Yet another error.

Ya, but that's just the mechanics of it. The cap hit still occurs when the team decides, the players just don't get left hanging for an extra month so it can be spread out over two years.

[sharpe1027]

Ya, but that's just the mechanics of it. The cap hit still occurs when the team decides, the players just don't get left hanging for an extra month so it can be spread out over two years.

If you use the exception the cap hit happens sooner, but for the reduced amount. Getting back to Hawk, the Packers can save 3.8 this year and something similar next year (assuming his salary is about the same).

If you look at the type of guys they are currently paying about that much or less for right now, 3.8 million includes some quality guys:

Jordy Nelson WR $3,975,000 $3,150,000
James Jones WR $3,750,000 $3,250,000
Mason Crosby K $3,150,000 $2,550,000
T.J. Lang OL $3,100,000 $2,000,000
Clay Matthews LB $2,672,500 $1,532,500
John Kuhn RB $2,543,750 $2,350,000
Bryan Bulaga OL $2,125,500 $962,000
Derek Sherrod OL $1,800,546 $975,182
Jarrett Bush CB $1,783,333 $1,450,000
Nick Perry LB $1,704,375 $730,875
Tim Masthay P $1,105,000 $865,000
Jerel Worthy DT $897,319 $569,464
Randall Cobb WR $875,299 $666,766
Mike Neal DT $865,000 $575,000
Brett Goode OL $821,250 $740,000
Morgan Burnett S $793,775 $575,000
Casey Hayward CB $752,253 $540,451
Alex Green RB $691,250 $562,500
Davon House CB $630,145 $555,000
Graham Harrell QB $630,000 $630,000
Andrew Quarless TE $620,607 $575,000
Marshall Newhouse OL $612,464 $575,000