2010 Super Bowl team - half gone

[mraynrand]

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RG3 is the only spread option qb that fails to avoid the big hits. He will learn to avoid the hits and become a big time player.

[Guiness]

RG3 is the only spread option qb that fails to avoid the big hits. He will learn to avoid the hits and become a big time player.

I don't know about that. Is it possible to avoid them all the time? CK took a good lick from our D during the playoff game - the one where he spiked the ball on the field and got the penalty. Yes, he was showing the D that he took their best shot and was fine, but if they line him up like that a few more times he's going to be moving a lot slower.

[woodbuck27]

Who is closer to the super bowl with a better roster -- imo the seahawks.

Why are the Seahawks having big success in a short period of time?

It will be v. interesting to see how the Seahawks perform next season. I see them as a real threat in two more seasons. It will depend alot on the consistency and possible further development of their offense. It seems obvious to me that the Seahawks are a team on the rise, with a respected by his players HC and a young GM with vision.

[woodbuck27]

I don't know about that. Is it possible to avoid them all the time? CK took a good lick from our D during the playoff game - the one where he spiked the ball on the field and got the penalty. Yes, he was showing the D that he took their best shot and was fine, but if they line him up like that a few more times he's going to be moving a lot slower.

The Skins should take the same approach to their OL as the 49ers did. Make it a priority of strength. Once you establish a franchise QB you better protect him.

It's the OL where we need to see more emphasis placed in terms of improving the Packers.

[rbaloha1]

I don't know about that. Is it possible to avoid them all the time? CK took a good lick from our D during the playoff game - the one where he spiked the ball on the field and got the penalty. Yes, he was showing the D that he took their best shot and was fine, but if they line him up like that a few more times he's going to be moving a lot slower.

Every qb gets smacked.

How many shots did pocket passer a-rod take?

[Fritz]

He did take some shots, but many of the sacks seemed less violent than the type a QB would get on the run.

[rbaloha1]

He did take some shots, but many of the sacks seemed less violent than the type a QB would get on the run.

Nonsense. Many pocket hits are from the blindside.

Less violent -- do you have some sort of violent meter?

[Joemailman]

Most sacks are not made by a defensive player moving full speed, unless he's completely unblocked. There probably is a better chance of a QB taking a hit from someone moving full speed if he's taking off downfield on a run.

[denverYooper]

Most sacks are not made by a defensive player moving full speed, unless he's completely unblocked. There probably is a better chance of a QB taking a hit from someone moving full speed if he's taking off downfield on a run.

Defenses also get a little extra permission to hit running QBs because those QBs are a threat to run. Sometimes the strategy for beating a dual threat QB, even from guys not named Greg Williams, becomes "just hit the QB whether he has the ball or not."

[rbaloha1]

Most sacks are not made by a defensive player moving full speed, unless he's completely unblocked. There probably is a better chance of a QB taking a hit from someone moving full speed if he's taking off downfield on a run.

Is there ever a time a qb missed playing time from getting hit in the pocket? All those qb injuries are from running RG III style?

Ex qbs say injuries are less likely if you scramble and slide rather than be blind sided in the pocket.

[rbaloha1]

Defenses also get a little extra permission to hit running QBs because those QBs are a threat to run. Sometimes the strategy for beating a dual threat QB, even from guys not named Greg Williams, becomes "just hit the QB whether he has the ball or not."

Listen to Trent Dilfer about hitting the qb during a spread option play. The 49ers assign DELANEY walker as a protector for CK. DW blows up anyone who attempts to hit the qb.

Also mentioned 3 nfl defensive coordinators currently up in Canada learning from the Grey cup champs on how to defense spread offenses.

On a side note the new Badgers Defensive Coordinator Dave Aranda has a history of having success in defensing CK and the pistol while at the University of Hawaii. Hawaii always played CK tough with good succees. In fact, Reno's only loss one season was from Hawaii.

Maybe Capers needs to study and consult with Aranda.

[KYPack]

Listen to Trent Dilfer about hitting the qb during a spread option play. The 49ers assign DELANEY walker as a protector for CK. DW blows up anyone who attempts to hit the qb.

Also mentioned 3 nfl defensive coordinators currently up in Canada learning from the Grey cup champs on how to defense spread offenses.

On a side note the new Badgers Defensive Coordinator Dave Aranda has a history of having success in defensing CK and the pistol while at the University of Hawaii. Hawaii always played CK tough with good succees. In fact, Reno's only loss one season was from Hawaii.

Maybe Capers needs to study and consult with Aranda.

Some of the technique used by CFL and college D's will have to be adopted by NFL guys to counter the run option.

One thing I didn't see used as a defensive strategy was the thing they used against the veer and run option in college. Attack the shit out of the mesh point. When the QB has his hand on the hand-off, reading the next option, go get his ass. The veer died when defenses learned how to pressure the QB in that situation. After a few dozen solid licks, run option QB's will begin to take the option that spares 'em an ass whuppin'.

There are a handful of "Aranda" type guys out there, some of 'em will get jobs to counter this creature of offense.

[pbmax]

Listen to Trent Dilfer about hitting the qb during a spread option play. The 49ers assign DELANEY walker as a protector for CK. DW blows up anyone who attempts to hit the qb.

Also mentioned 3 nfl defensive coordinators currently up in Canada learning from the Grey cup champs on how to defense spread offenses.

On a side note the new Badgers Defensive Coordinator Dave Aranda has a history of having success in defensing CK and the pistol while at the University of Hawaii. Hawaii always played CK tough with good succees. In fact, Reno's only loss one season was from Hawaii.

Maybe Capers needs to study and consult with Aranda.

Delanie Walker is not assigned as a protector of CK any more than any other blocker on the read option. The only two not blocking are Kaepernick and Gore. Walker is more a personal protector of CK when he has a seven step while passing and Walker is on pass pro. In the read option, depending on play call and D tactics, Walker could be blocking in Gore's hole or CK's. If Dilfer said this he is being an idiot; I suspect, however, that you misunderstood his point.

A blind side and unexpected hit can occur even when the QB is trying to slide. Rodgers got knocked out of the Lions game during such a maneuver.

The QB is at risk anywhere. In the pocket for passing, he is dependent on his O line. But while running, he is dependent on his own vision and sense of risk. A running QB is going to take more punishment than a QB who doesn't run but can handoff to his RBs. A far better metric than equating punishment between running QBs and pocket passers would be to tally the number of times they get tackled while holding the ball.

[rbaloha1]

Some of the technique used by CFL and college D's will have to be adopted by NFL guys to counter the run option.

One thing I didn't see used as a defensive strategy was the thing they used against the veer and run option in college. Attack the shit out of the mesh point. When the QB has his hand on the hand-off, reading the next option, go get his ass. The veer died when defenses learned how to pressure the QB in that situation. After a few dozen solid licks, run option QB's will begin to take the option that spares 'em an ass whuppin'.

There are a handful of "Aranda" type guys out there, some of 'em will get jobs to counter this creature of offense.

Good stuff.

The Trent Dilfer discussion with Mike Golic also talked about how the defense can dictate where the ball goes -- which is what Aranda did when playing CK at Reno.

TD also mentioned formation wise there are giveaways the spread option is coming. Nonetheless the geomery and blocking angles provide an advantage to the offense -- TD mentioned Raji getting blown off the ball.

These new spread qbs can run the offense when they see a favorable defensive groupings.

Lets not forget Kiffin has all types of problems stopping spread offenses in college.

[rbaloha1]

Delanie Walker is not assigned as a protector of CK any more than any other blocker on the read option. The only two not blocking are Kaepernick and Gore. Walker is more a personal protector of CK when he has a seven step while passing and Walker is on pass pro. In the read option, depending on play call and D tactics, Walker could be blocking in Gore's hole or CK's. If Dilfer said this he is being an idiot; I suspect, however, that you misunderstood his point.

A blind side and unexpected hit can occur even when the QB is trying to slide. Rodgers got knocked out of the Lions game during such a maneuver.

The QB is at risk anywhere. In the pocket for passing, he is dependent on his O line. But while running, he is dependent on his own vision and sense of risk. A running QB is going to take more punishment than a QB who doesn't run but can handoff to his RBs. A far better metric than equating punishment between running QBs and pocket passers would be to tally the number of times they get tackled while holding the ball.

Not according to TD. Walker is assigned to CK when the play is going the opposite direction to protect CK. Using Walker in this capacity is a formation giveaway.