Dynasty

[Smeefers]

Daniels and Neal can not morph into Wolfork, Ngata types.

Worthy shrunk during the season.

D line does not have enough big bodies -- it is on TT.

I hate to try and bring this conversation back to football. You guys do like beating on each other like prissy teenagers at a school dance. I for one like RB's constant disagreeing. If everyone here was on the same page... boy oh boy, this place would suck balls.

Anyway, I think Daniels and Worthy still have a lot of growing to do. I've said it before, it's extremely rare for a player to come into the league and instantly play at a high level. It generally takes a few years for them to mature into a great player. I think Nick Collins is an excellent example of this. He played like garbage to start his career, but the second it clicked, he was one of the best damn safeties in the league. Give our line time before you decided to flush them all and start from scratch.

[Pugger]

I hate to try and bring this conversation back to football. You guys do like beating on each other like prissy teenagers at a school dance. I for one like RB's constant disagreeing. If everyone here was on the same page... boy oh boy, this place would suck balls.

Anyway, I think Daniels and Worthy still have a lot of growing to do. I've said it before, it's extremely rare for a player to come into the league and instantly play at a high level. It generally takes a few years for them to mature into a great player. I think Nick Collins is an excellent example of this. He played like garbage to start his career, but the second it clicked, he was one of the best damn safeties in the league. Give our line time before you decided to flush them all and start from scratch.

You said it.

I don't think we have to start from scratch either. First we need some of our guys back healthy. Getting Bishop and Perry back would be nice. Having Bulaga back plus have Sherrod and Newhouse duke it out at LT and that will make both of them better. I think we can win with EDS but it won't hurt to draft another center. If he beats out EDS we still have EDS as a backup center/guard. Barclay and whomever loses the LT job will be great backups. If Jennings leaves we'll have to draft a WR. RB is another area of need. Harris is nice but we can do better there.

We still are trying to replace Collins. This is one area of immediate need. Will the return of Bishop be enough to solidify the middle? We need a DE/DT that can rush the passer. We have 2 D linemen that are pretty stout against the run (Pickett and Wilson) but they aren't so hot rushing the QB. Lord knows what we'll do with Woodson. He's pretty good against the run and his leadership is unquestioned but he is no spring chicken and doesn't have the speed he once did. Will he take a pay cut?

We have to remember we just went 12-6 (including the 2 playoff games) with our current crop of players plus several starters on IR. I find it incredible that TT can keep this roster this deep and we keep winning when you consider where he is drafting in each round every year despite all of our injuries. If there is any area of concern that should be investigated I think we ought to find out why we have ridiculous numbers of players hurt every stinkin' year.

[Guiness]

You said it.

I don't think we have to start from scratch either.

Quite - and anyone who suggests otherwise is trolling or really, really not paying attention. Last 3 years: SB, 15-1, 11-5 and a playoff victory. Players at all levels of their careers: some blue chip vets, some guys who've been in the league 3-4 years who're entering/are in their prime, and some 1st-2nd year players who've made the the team and are ripe to develop.

There isn't a franchise in the league that would give their first born for that. Advocating scrapping what we've got?

[George Cumby]

"If there is any area of concern that should be investigated I think we ought to find out why we have ridiculous numbers of players hurt every stinkin' year."

This.

[rbaloha1]

"If there is any area of concern that should be investigated I think we ought to find out why we have ridiculous numbers of players hurt every stinkin' year."

This.

does this having anything possibly to do with size and/or training methods?

[Joemailman]

The run on injuries this year really began in training camp and the preseason. MM was cutting practices short because of a lack of bodies at certain positions. He said they would be looking at everything (training, practice schedule, etc.) to try to determine why this happened. Unlikely we'll ever hear whatever conclusion, if any, they came to though. It's happened 2 of the last 3 years. I don't recall the injury situation being particularly bad in 2011.

[Pugger]

does this having anything possibly to do with size and/or training methods?

Maybe. Something is going on because the number of guys we have injured each year is concerning to say the least.

[Fritz]

My concerns with Worthy and Daniels have to do with whether they are the right body type to play the type of defense necessary to stop the read option. But since I don't really know how one goes about stopping that - I'm guessing it's got to do with three big boys holding ground and tying up multiple blockers - well, then maybe I'm just worried over nothing.

[rbaloha1]

My concerns with Worthy and Daniels have to do with whether they are the right body type to play the type of defense necessary to stop the read option. But since I don't really know how one goes about stopping that - I'm guessing it's got to do with three big boys holding ground and tying up multiple blockers - well, then maybe I'm just worried over nothing.

Please spread the word...

[Smeefers]

Injuries are pretty much all luck. No matter how you slice it. You never hear anyone say "Man, I would of totally torn my ACL, except my trainer gave me this super special secret exercise to do, in order to prevent that." Training is training, if you put in the time, you get a benefit out of it, but it's not a stop gap. I can guarantee you that Clay Mathews has been to every hamstring expert in the country, but there's still a good chance he's going to pull it pretty bad next year. He does it every year. It's how things go.

[rbaloha1]

Injuries are pretty much all luck. No matter how you slice it. You never hear anyone say "Man, I would of totally torn my ACL, except my trainer gave me this super special secret exercise to do, in order to prevent that." Training is training, if you put in the time, you get a benefit out of it, but it's not a stop gap. I can guarantee you that Clay Mathews has been to every hamstring expert in the country, but there's still a good chance he's going to pull it pretty bad next year. He does it every year. It's how things go.

why are the packers continually unlucky?

[pbmax]

why are the packers continually unlucky?

Not enough free weights.

If not that, then too many free weights.

[rbaloha1]

Not enough free weights.

If not that, then too many free weights.

MM changed the lifting regime from Sherman.

Something is not working.

The 49ers have a guy they believe in. If I recall he believes in continual heavy lifting throughout the season.

[pbmax]

MM changed the lifting regime from Sherman.

Something is not working.

The 49ers have a guy they believe in. If I recall he believes in continual heavy lifting throughout the season.

Its been changed twice. First Gullickson, then Redman and now Redman's trainee.

[George Cumby]

Its been changed twice. First Gullickson, then Redman and now Redman's trainee.

I thought Gullickson was the fall guy for Harrell's injury.

IIRC, Redman was pretty squared away.

Don't know about the new guy.

I also thought that they'd ditched the stupid machines under Gullickson.