"PACKERS LOOKING FOR THREE DOWN BACK"

[rbaloha1]

Flutie completed less than 55% of his passes over his NFL career, QB rating well below 80. Great competitor, but nothing more than a backup talent as an NFL QB. That said, I would have been happy with him as the backup.

DF was not given adequate opportunities. Clearly performed when the starter.

DF needed a scheme and a coach like Carroll that believed in his abilities and provided the proper talent around him.

[Patler]

DF was not given adequate opportunities. Clearly performed when the starter.

DF needed a scheme and a coach like Carroll that believed in his abilities and provided the proper talent around him.

12 seasons in the nfl, 5 different teams, NE twice, 52 games started, and no one gave him adequate opportunities?

He started 10 games for Buffalo in '98 and 15 in '99. He stared all 16 for San Diego in 2001. He had more opportunities than a lot of players get.

[rbaloha1]

12 seasons in the nfl, 5 different teams, NE twice, 52 games started, and no one gave him adequate opportunities?

He started 10 games for Buffalo in '98 and 15 in '99. He stared all 16 for San Diego in 2001. He had more opportunities than a lot of players get.

Bouncing around says a lot. Needed a franchise to believe in him completely.

[Patler]

DF was not given adequate opportunities. Clearly performed when the starter.

DF needed a scheme and a coach like Carroll that believed in his abilities and provided the proper talent around him.

Bouncing around says a lot. Needed a franchise to believe in him completely.

31 of his starts came in two seasons.
In '99 he played in 15 games for Buffalo, starting all 15.
In '01 he started all 16 games for San Diego.

31 starts, 31 games played

558/999 - 6635 yards - 34 Tds - 34 INTs = 55.86 completion percentage and a QB rating of 73.45.

In '98 he had started 10 games for Buffalo, then 15/15 in '99 and 5 more in 2000. That was followed by the 16/16 in 2001 for San Diego. He had four straight seasons when two different franchises wanted to believe in him. He had his chances, just didn't do a lot with them. Journeyman-like numbers. Never quite performed up to the hype, in my opinion.

[Guiness]

Flutie completed less than 55% of his passes over his NFL career, QB rating well below 80. Great competitor, but nothing more than a backup talent as an NFL QB. That said, I would have been happy with him as the backup.

I wasn't implying he was a world beater, just that to compare him to Tebow is pretty unfair. He was an NFL QB with a couple of strikes against him (5'10" anybody???) that certainly made the most of his talents!

As far as his stints in Buffalo and SD, those were some pretty dysfunctional franchises. Yes, he started 15 games for Buffalo...went 10-5, got the team a playoff berth, the last one they've had. Wade Phillips decided he wanted a prototypical passer and inserted Rob Johnson. We all know how that turned out for the franchise. The next season he was the backup, and went 4-1 while Johnson went 4-7! What did Buffalo do? Cut Flutie...no, Buffalo did not want to believe in him.

He was SDs starter for 2001. They went 1-15 in 2000. SD went 5-11 in 2001, and beat Buffalo on the way

Yes, he went 15-16 in those two seasons (or 15-15? maybe there was another QB of record for a game in SD?) but he made the playoffs in one of those seasons, and was QB of an improving mess the next - SD drafted Tomlinson in 2001, then Brees in 2002.

I think he was better than an NFL backup. He could start, even if he was a guy you'd always be looking to replace. When I think 'NFL backup' I think of guys who hung around the league for a while and if they were your starters you'd be pulling your hair out to replace, like Doug Pederson or Craig Nall!

[Patler]

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I think he was better than an NFL backup. He could start, even if he was a guy you'd always be looking to replace. When I think 'NFL backup' I think of guys who hung around the league for a while and if they were your starters you'd be pulling your hair out to replace, like Doug Pederson or Craig Nall!

We are probably seeing him the same, just calling it differently.

I look at him about the same as I do Rex Grossman. Capable of some good games, but not good enough to go with as your starter for a season unless forced to. That's what I would want as a backup, not a guy like Nall. I put Pederson somewhere in between Flutie/Grossman at one end, and a guy like Nall at the other. I would be content with Flutie, Grossman or Pederson as my backup; but I wouldn't want any of them as my starter for a season. Nall I don't want at all.

[Pugger]

I was comparing DF to Tebow. Flutie had his moments in the NFL but had a wonderful career in the CFL.

[woodbuck27]

To me, Flutie was a very average NFL QB who somehow, like Tebow, got lots of press. He wasn't a bad guy or anything, but my point is that although we seem to like to root for certain guys, and are willing to throw out their physical attributes because they are "tough" or "have heart" or "have a nose for the end zone," in the NFL you better have some physical attributes too. This is the elite of the elite.

Along that vein, I wouldn't be too thrilled if they took Monte Ball, unless he's chosen a bit later in the draft. He sounds like a very good college player who will not translate well into the NFL.

Doug Flutie was an exceptional athlete and it's hardly fair to use his name and Tebow's in the same sentence or in any comparison.

What would Doug Flutie have been in the NFL if he was taller? I believe he would have been a steller QB.

[Guiness]

We are probably seeing him the same, just calling it differently.

I look at him about the same as I do Rex Grossman. Capable of some good games, but not good enough to go with as your starter for a season unless forced to. That's what I would want as a backup, not a guy like Nall. I put Pederson somewhere in between Flutie/Grossman at one end, and a guy like Nall at the other. I would be content with Flutie, Grossman or Pederson as my backup; but I wouldn't want any of them as my starter for a season. Nall I don't want at all.

I'd place him above Grossman - even if it's because he didn't have a 10 cent brain that lost you games the way Grossman did (does?)

It's hard to tell how he would've done if an NFL team had committed to him, even when he came back from the NFL. He had some good years in him, but I think the personnel guys could just not get over his stature. 5'10" puts you way past the 99th percentile, on the wrong end of the scale when it comes to NFL QBs!
He did well in Buffalo when he stared 15 games, it was their idiocy to go with Johnson for the playoffs after one start. There was some local coverage around here quoting unnamed team sources saying the team didn't trust him, he couldn't see over the linemen and Johnson threw a better ball. They were obviously looking for any excuse to get rid of the midget pivot. When he came back the next year, played well again and Johnson couldn't stay healthy (or win games!) they couldn't admit their mistake and got rid of him to the worst team in the league to avoid looking any worse!

He played ok in SD, but the Chargers were a couple years from being any good, and he was getting pretty old.

What's Flutie doing now? I can tell you're wondering. Well, he's doing a reality TV show, "The Next Knuckler" Check out the trailer

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21696711/video-clip-from-premiere-episode-of-the-next-knuckler

I don't know how that's going to work. Reality shows thrive on conflict, but I think these guys are going to spend their time laughing at the silly course their balls take!

[Patler]

I think it was more than just issues with his height. He struggled to complete 55% of his passes and threw as many interceptions as TDs, whether he played a lot or a little. That simply wasn't good enough, even when he played.

I will agree though, a better head than Grossman.

I do think he was an ideal guy to have behind a great QB; however.

[Smeefers]

Okay, wait, I'm a bit confused. Are we trying to decide who would be a better running back between Montee Ball, Doug Flutie or Tim Tebow?

[woodbuck27]

Okay, wait, I'm a bit confused. Are we trying to decide who would be a better running back between Montee Ball, Doug Flutie or Tim Tebow?

[woodbuck27]

http://fansided.com/2013/02/26/nfl-draft-2013-no-team-has-first-round-grade-on-running-back/

NFL Draft 2013: No Team Has First-Round Grade on Running Back

Feb 26th, 2013 at 9:17 pm by Josh Sanchez - NFL Draft

[Teamcheez1]

http://fansided.com/2013/02/26/nfl-d...-running-back/

NFL Draft 2013: No Team Has First-Round Grade on Running Back

Feb 26th, 2013 at 9:17 pm by Josh Sanchez - NFL Draft

In today's NFL, you don't draft a running back in the 1st round unless they are lights out. Potential isn't good enough to waste a pick in a passing league.

[woodbuck27]

What is your gut instinct on this RB....Montee Ball?

If he was available for our second round pick would you want him?

http://www.kffl.com/a.php/133027/nfl-draft/2013-NFL-Draft-Scouting-Report--Montee-Ball--RB--Wisconsin

2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin

by Cory J. Bonini on February 26, 2013 @ 15:50:25 PDT


Weaknesses

•Tremendous workload at Wisconsin - 983 offensive touches in four years (366 in 2012)

•Benefitted in 2011 from one of the best offensive lines in recent NCAA memory in a run-first system

•Lacks a second gear - 4.66 seconds in the 40-yard dash - and an initial burst

and it gets worse:

•Durability concerns - multiple concussions and a lot of wear on his tires

•Been involved in off-the-field incidents but was cleared of any wrongdoing - enough of a red flag to warrant a mention

•Limited to no upside