Michael Huff on his way to visit GB

[Bretsky]

Not really--unless you don't plan on extending Rodgers and Matthews this summer.

Cleaner with the extensions......plus....no guarantees we have to extend both "this summer" . We are far from the doom and gloom of Dallas. We have plenty of room to afford a 3MIL/year deal.

[3irty1]

Cleaner with the extensions......plus....no guarantees we have to extend both "this summer" . We are far from the doom and gloom of Dallas. We have plenty of room to afford a 3MIL/year deal.

I'd be surprised if that's all he gets.

[woodbuck27]

No.

Ravens need a safety, although some will disagree, I don't think the Packers NEED a safety. The upcoming draft is touted as a good safety draft. TT will probably draft a Huff's potential roster spot in April. Again, I see Green Bay being used to potentially drive the price up.

I've just been studying what TT might do with this draft RE: addressing the FS/SS position.

ie Use #26 for FS Eric Reid or trade down for another pick on day two and target SS D.J. Swearinger or FS Matt Elam with his second round pick.

PACKERS !

[3irty1]

Trading down in this draft will be though I think since everyone is going to have the same idea. Very deep class that is extra weak at the top. 6 or 7 guys that I would rather have than Huff though. Huff is a hell of an athlete but he's way too soft to be the answer on a defense that is too soft. I want a tone-setter from our next safety.

[Pugger]

Huff is coming for a visit? I'll believe it when we get a reliable report that he sets foot on the premises at 1265.

[3irty1]

Signed 3-year deal with Ravens.

[3irty1]

I'd be surprised if that's all he gets.

And turns out I was waaaayyyyyyy wrong again with the numbers. First numbers I've heard are 3 years 6M.

[red]

No surprise

[woodbuck27]

Trading down in this draft will be though I think since everyone is going to have the same idea. Very deep class that is extra weak at the top. 6 or 7 guys that I would rather have than Huff though. Huff is a hell of an athlete but he's way too soft to be the answer on a defense that is too soft. I want a tone-setter from our next safety.

Hi 3irty1:

A) ESPN quotes Scouts Inc. with this evaluation:

"Huff is an athletic safety with above average speed and good acceleration, but he has struggled to establish himself in the secondary. Huff has started and played at both safety positions but just can't seem to take either one and run with it. Huff can be a heavy hitter when lined up inside the box and he recognizes the play as it develops. Unfortunately, he also will look like he overanalyzes or freezes up at times and can be slow to pull the trigger. Huff needs a lot of work on route recognition and reading the quarterback's eyes when in off coverage."

Edit:

In any case and returning to the thread after this post. It looks like S/CB Michael Huff signed with the Baltimore RAVENS. I'll be watching that fella next season. It seems to me that $Money$ wise his signing wasn't a huge risk to the RAVENS.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154242/article/michael-huff-baltimore-ravens-agree-on-3year-deal

"NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported the contract is a three-year deal worth $6 million. The move makes a ton of sense. Huff, 30, is a lot younger than Ed Reed. Huff provides similar centerfield ability and can line up at cornerback if necessary."



B) Ted Thompson's #26 pick:

Safety

It looks to me like FS John Cyprien, Florida International and SS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas will be gone if TT decides (or is forced) to use his Rd. 1 #26 pick. It appears that to use that pick on FS Eric Reid, LSU is a reach.

ILB

Posters here see this position as a need. Ted Thompson has ensured lots of competition already this offseason at ILB. That might exclude ILB's Kevin Minter, LSU; Alec Ogletree, Geogia and Te'O Manti, Notre Dame.

TE

The 'love affair' with TE Jermichael Finley will continue for at least 2013.

In any case, TE's Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame and Zach Ertz, Stanford are a reach in my analysis.

CB

You can't have enough good CB's but we're not in bad shape at this position. In any case one of these six foot or taller CB's will be available:

Xavier Rhodes, Florida St.; Johnthan Banks, Mississippi St.; and Desmond Trufant, Washington

Add Jamar Taylor 5'11" 192 lb, Boise St.

After that analysis it looks to me that Ted Thompson will use the #26 pick to go BIG and in the trenches.

DL or OL

In terms of availability he might jump all over:

DE's Bjoern Werner, Florida St.; Damontre Moore,Texas A & M or Daytone Jones,UCLA

DT Jessie Williams, Alabama

DE's Carradine Cornellius, Florida St. or Alex Okafor, Texas.

OT's D.J. Fluker, Alabama; Watson Menelik, Florida St. or Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

WR

Deandra Hopkins, Clemson or Keenan Allen might be options for pick #26. Anyone else looks like a reach and we have need at other positions.

Conclusion:

The more I look at TT's possible use of the #26 pick it grows on me that he will use it to pick a prospect for our DL or OL.

3irty1 or anyone... would you please comment on this post?

GO PACK GO!

[run pMc]

Trading down in this draft will be though I think since everyone is going to have the same idea. Very deep class that is extra weak at the top. 6 or 7 guys that I would rather have than Huff though. Huff is a hell of an athlete but he's way too soft to be the answer on a defense that is too soft. I want a tone-setter from our next safety.

+1

McMillian could be a tone-setter if the lightbulb goes on. Otherwise I think TT might look for another safety in the middle rounds. I'd rather see the money spent on CM3 and Rodgers than Huff. I'm skeptical GB will have enough cap space to keep Raji too.

[woodbuck27]

+1

McMillian could be a tone-setter if the lightbulb goes on. Otherwise I think TT might look for another safety in the middle rounds. I'd rather see the money spent on CM3 and Rodgers than Huff. I'm skeptical GB will have enough cap space to keep Raji too.

There's considerations/changes to be made in terms of retaining BJ Raji.

Ted Thompson surely isn't considering BJ Raji in the same light as Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews. That in terms related to cost to the CAP and the teams positive future Vs real value.

In my view Clay Matthews III is far more valuable than BJ Raji to our defense in terms of his comfort level in his position.

GO PACK GO !

[run pMc]

Conclusion:

The more I look at TT's possible use of the #26 pick it grows on me that he will use it to pick a prospect for our DL or OL.

3irty1 or anyone... would you please comment on this post?

I think as usual it will come down to BPA.

I'm skeptical they go OL unless
(a) Jonathan Cooper drops to them at 26 and they think he can play both C and G, or
(b) They know neither Sherrod/Datko is healthy or capable of displacing Newhouse.

I'm reading the ILB class is only so-so; Ogletree is the only one who might be around at #26 and he's a big character risk. Minter is a maybe, I'm not sold on him or Brown in Round 1. I'm less impressed than many with Te'o.

There's good depth in DL, and I'm in the camp that's in favor of a guy like John Jenkins or Jesse Williams because I'm not sure Raji and Pickett will be on the roster in 2 years, and Worthy/Daniels aren't NT's. They could also use a prototypical 3-4 DE.

I could actually see them take Eifert at TE if he's still there, but McGinn's sources seem to think he wants to be a WR and doesn't like football as much as the less athletic Ertz (who is not a R1 pick IMO). It depends on what the staff knows about Quarless and the other TE's...I think Finley is gone after this year and with James Jones also a FA they will need to refresh their receiving corps

That said, I think they could wait until R2-3 to get a decent WR...there's ok depth there.

Same thing with safety. Drafting a S in R1 is not that common and has to be an impact player IMO. If Vaccaro is there and they take him I wouldn't be upset but I think Cyprien in R1 is a reach.

[woodbuck27]

I think as usual it will come down to BPA.

I'm skeptical they go OL unless
(a) Jonathan Cooper drops to them at 26 and they think he can play both C and G, or
(b) They know neither Sherrod/Datko is healthy or capable of displacing Newhouse.

I'm reading the ILB class is only so-so; Ogletree is the only one who might be around at #26 and he's a big character risk. Minter is a maybe, I'm not sold on him or Brown in Round 1. I'm less impressed than many with Te'o.

There's good depth in DL, and I'm in the camp that's in favor of a guy like John Jenkins or Jesse Williams because I'm not sure Raji and Pickett will be on the roster in 2 years, and Worthy/Daniels aren't NT's. They could also use a prototypical 3-4 DE.

I could actually see them take Eifert at TE if he's still there, but McGinn's sources seem to think he wants to be a WR and doesn't like football as much as the less athletic Ertz (who is not a R1 pick IMO). It depends on what the staff knows about Quarless and the other TE's...I think Finley is gone after this year and with James Jones also a FA they will need to refresh their receiving corps

That said, I think they could wait until R2-3 to get a decent WR...there's ok depth there.

Same thing with safety. Drafting a S in R1 is not that common and has to be an impact player IMO. If Vaccaro is there and they take him I wouldn't be upset but I think Cyprien in R1 is a reach.

"Minter is a maybe, I'm not sold on him or Brown in Round 1. I'm less impressed than many with Te'o.

There's good depth in DL, and I'm in the camp that's in favor of a guy like John Jenkins or Jesse Williams because I'm not sure Raji and Pickett will be on the roster in 2 years, and Worthy/Daniels aren't NT's." run pMc

I've like Kevin Minter but RE: BPA. I agree that TT will have better options.

As an exercise:

It's down to a choice between DT's Jesse Williams and John Jenkins.

Who do you pick and why?

PACKERS !

[3irty1]

Hi 3irty1:

A) ESPN quotes Scouts Inc. with this evaluation:

"Huff is an athletic safety with above average speed and good acceleration, but he has struggled to establish himself in the secondary. Huff has started and played at both safety positions but just can't seem to take either one and run with it. Huff can be a heavy hitter when lined up inside the box and he recognizes the play as it develops. Unfortunately, he also will look like he overanalyzes or freezes up at times and can be slow to pull the trigger. Huff needs a lot of work on route recognition and reading the quarterback's eyes when in off coverage."

Edit:

In any case and returning to the thread after this post. It looks like S/CB Michael Huff signed with the Baltimore RAVENS. I'll be watching that fella next season. It seems to me that $Money$ wise his signing wasn't a huge risk to the RAVENS.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154242/article/michael-huff-baltimore-ravens-agree-on-3year-deal

"NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported the contract is a three-year deal worth $6 million. The move makes a ton of sense. Huff, 30, is a lot younger than Ed Reed. Huff provides similar centerfield ability and can line up at cornerback if necessary."



B) Ted Thompson's #26 pick:

Safety

It looks to me like FS John Cyprien, Florida International and SS Kenny Vaccaro, Texas will be gone if TT decides (or is forced) to use his Rd. 1 #26 pick. It appears that to use that pick on FS Eric Reid, LSU is a reach.

ILB

Posters here see this position as a need. Ted Thompson has ensured lots of competition already this offseason at ILB. That might exclude ILB's Kevin Minter, LSU; Alec Ogletree, Geogia and Te'O Manti, Notre Dame.

TE

The 'love affair' with TE Jermichael Finley will continue for at least 2013.

In any case, TE's Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame and Zach Ertz, Stanford are a reach in my analysis.

CB

You can't have enough good CB's but we're not in bad shape at this position. In any case one of these six foot or taller CB's will be available:

Xavier Rhodes, Florida St.; Johnthan Banks, Mississippi St.; and Desmond Trufant, Washington

Add Jamar Taylor 5'11" 192 lb, Boise St.

After that analysis it looks to me that Ted Thompson will use the #26 pick to go BIG and in the trenches.

DL or OL

In terms of availability he might jump all over:

DE's Bjoern Werner, Florida St.; Damontre Moore,Texas A & M or Daytone Jones,UCLA

DT Jessie Williams, Alabama

DE's Carradine Cornellius, Florida St. or Alex Okafor, Texas.

OT's D.J. Fluker, Alabama; Watson Menelik, Florida St. or Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

WR

Deandra Hopkins, Clemson or Keenan Allen might be options for pick #26. Anyone else looks like a reach and we have need at other positions.

Conclusion:

The more I look at TT's possible use of the #26 pick it grows on me that he will use it to pick a prospect for our DL or OL.

3irty1 or anyone... would you please comment on this post?

GO PACK GO!

Those ESPN write ups come get updated about once every 3 years or so. Nobody questions Huff's athleticism, from what I've seen the guy has a very soft shoulder and is a pretty lousy tackler even by 2011 Green Bay standards. For 2M per year I would have liked to see if he magically improves just by being out of Oakland. Capers likes to use 3 safeties at a time anyways.

As for the draft, I see the easiest ways to make the team this year are at the positions of RB, C, QB, Safety, WR, and OLB in that order. Worthy will probably ride the PUP for all of 2013 but I have a premature feeling that the return of Jolly is going to shore up that spot so I don't really consider DL a big need. It would be nice to at least take a late flier on a DL just to make Wilson and Jolly earn their jobs.

RB - There are no running backs I'd consider at #26.
C - Best case scenario is to have Cooper fall and put him at C or move Lang there. When that quality of player falls to you I think you take him and make it work.
QB - We won't be taking a QB at 26.
S - Vaccaro will probably be gone, Reid isn't too big of a reach. Cyprien is closer to Brad Jones than he is to Nick Collins IMO. No thanks. I think this position is best addressed in 2nd or mid rounds with a guy like Thomas or Jefferson. My personal favorite would be to convert Amerson to FS.
WR - I'd be a little surprised if we took a WR that high but Keenan Allen is probably my favorite of the 1st round group.
OLB - I don't think they'll go for an OLB in round 1 simply because we have 2 starters there.

[3irty1]

As an exercise:

It's down to a choice between DT's Jesse Williams and John Jenkins.

Who do you pick and why?

PACKERS !

I'd take Williams. I think he seems like TT's type of 2-gap guy too. Very strong and plays very square. Is athletic enough to play DE but could get us out of a game at NT if needed as he did with Bama. I think he can be the player that TT was hoping Harrell would have been. He'd be a suitable long term replacement for Pickett in terms of his ability to play the run and play multiple positions.